Friday, May 10, 2013



Minority birth rates already exceed that of whites.
White Americans will be in the minority by 2043


[Little known, rarely discussed factors that resulted in the 1965 Immigration Reform Bill –– i.e. it wasn’t ALL Ted Kennedy’s doing by a long shot. Let’s see if anyone can address this issue dispassionately without prejudice ~ FT]

American immigration policy ... wasn’t chosen by the vast majority of the American people ... it was chosen by the organized Jewish community and put into action as a result of Jewish political pressure and financial wherewithal. ... 

[T]he successful immigration restriction of 1924 was seen by historians as one of the reforms of the Progressive Era’s campaign against the excesses of capitalism, since immigration lowered wages.
... [H]owever, Jews never saw it that way.  [they believed] the 1924 law was enacted to achieve an ethnic staus quo [deliberately] unfair to Jews. 

[Jewish immigrants were correctly seen by restrictionists as disproportionately involved in political radicalism, and it was generally a period of ethnic defense of White America.]

... Jews have never ceased seeing the 1924 law as exclusion of Jews. ... [To them] it was just another example of irrational anti-Semitism. ... 

Since Jews constitute half of the most influential media figures, and since the other half are rigorously vetted to exclude anyone who opposes what ... the Jewish consensus on immigration, there really wasn’t much real debate in the above-ground media.

Theodore White, then the most influential journalist in America and, himself a Jew, refused to publish his views on immigration. “My New York friends would never forgive me. No, you guys are right [on immigration], but I can’t go public on this.” ...

White’s agitated response demonstrated the intensely emotional Jewish version of the taboo against immigration skepticism. White’s whole heritage, and his standing with all his Jewish friends, would be endangered, he felt. if he publicized his very real concerns about the [proposed imigration reforms.] …

... The driving force at the core of the Immigration Reform Movement were Jewish organizations long active in opposing racial and ethnic quotas. These included the American Jewish Congress, the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith, and the American Federation of Jews from Eastern Europe.

... Following the shock of the Holocaust, Jewish leaders had been especially active in Washington in furthering immigration reform. ... [T]he most visible evidence of the immigration reform drive was played by Jewish legislative leaders, such as Representative Emanuel Celler and Senator Jacob Javits of New York. Less visible, but equally important, were the efforts of key advisers on presidential and agency staffs ... such as Julius Edelson and Harry Rosenfield in the Truman administration, Maxwell Rabb in the Eisenhower White House, and presidential aide Myer Feldman, assistant secretary of state Abba Schwartz, and deputy attorney general Norbert Schlei in the Kennedy ... administration.  
~ by Kevin MacDonald [truncated and edited by FT]

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  1. The truth?
    Can you handle the truth?

    OK, the truth is RN (Les)the anti Semitic blogger and commenter is a embarrassment to the heliosphere world .....

    1. The truth aNon is you are a sniveling coward with the cognitive ability of a programmed robot. A disgrace to yourself and a cancer that will ultimately destroy you. Potentially the BEST thing that could happen to you. Your hatred and sickness must be growing unbearable.

      Your sick obsession with attacking me, as well as Shaw with baseless accusations simply exposes you for what you are. A hollow base individuall whose purpose is lost on everybody but yourself.

      Have another hate filled day in your pathetic existence. The world after all needs jackasses like you for comparative purposes. You have succeeded in placing YOURSELF in the gutter. BRAVO, job well done.

  2. What is the point of this?

    Kevin McDonald is described as a neo-Nazi and is on a list of antisemites by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League.

    IOW, his views on this subject are biased in the extreme. And antisemitic.

    Kevin B. MacDonald (born January 24, 1944) is a professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach, best known for his use of evolutionary theory to support his claim that Judaism is a "group evolutionary strategy."

    MacDonald's most controversial claim is that a suite of traits that he attributes to Jews, including higher-than-average verbal intelligence and ethnocentricism, have eugenically and culturally evolved to enhance the ability of Jews to out-compete non-Jews for resources. MacDonald believes this advantage has been used by a number of Jews to advance Jewish group interests and end potential antisemitism by either deliberately or inadvertently undermining the power and self-confidence of the European-derived majorities in the Western world.

    The university's psychology department, as well as the Cal State Long Beach academic senate, have formally dissociated themselves from his work. The academic senate described his views as antisemitic and white ethnocentric.

    Disgraceful. I'm surprised you would promote such rubbish.

  3. The Liberal week of Horrors. Thar creep Ariel Castro, and his brothers in Cleveland who has been living off of unemployment -and supporting his ability to maintain that House of Horrors that was really a sex-slave prison that he had turned into a prison for 3 kidnaped young women. The Bombing of Boston by 2 Russian Immigrants who were Islamic terrorists, that keep the Boston police, the FBI and the people of Boston under siege and the manhunt for almost a week. The horror in Benghazi after Ambassador Chris Stevens was murdered by Islamist and President Barack Obama’s attempted cover up while Susan rice stood up in front of the United Nation and all over TV along with the LYING of our Secretary of State the most wonderful women in the world, Hillary Clinton.
    Where is the OUTRAGE? .

    As Hillary Clinton,would say.."What Difference Does It Make"....Now!

    Or as Shaw Kenawe said,
    "What is the point of this?"

  4. Good morning, Les. I'd be interested to see what you thnk about the information presented in today's ARTICLE.

    I wonder if anyone will have the courage to focus on the TOPIC, instead of their private pet hates and obsessive-compulsive idiocy?

    You DO realize, don't you, that so far NO ONE has given any meaningful response, criticism, appreciation, analysis or thoughtful well-written condemnation to ANY of the ITEMS we posted?

    I might just as well have gone on publishing operatic arias, cycles of Schubert Lieder, discussion of the similarities and differences among the painting styles of Renoir, Mary Cassatt, and Childe Hassam, or speculation son whether or not Charles Dickens was a full-fledged socialist or merely a warm-hearted humanist, or the lesbianism of Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno, Donna Shalala, Elena Kagan, Janet Napolitano and possibly that of Sonia Sotomayor -- or Building the Brooklyn Bridge for that matter.

    THE point of this entire exercise was to reveal –– once and for all –– that NO ONE pays any real attention to the topic. With very few exceptions all they want to do is SNIPE either at me or each other.

  5. Come on now FT this is our last chance to take advantage of "Hate Week"

    Don't get soft now!!!!

  6. So now we have another reason to hate LIberals.:
    So now we find out that the entire Tsarnaev family (Dad, Mom, 2 sons 2 daughters) started receiving government assistance as soon as they set foot in our country. As political refugees they were entitled to settlement assistance from day one. (Section 8 Housing, public healthcare, food stamps etc.)

    When their stellar older son impregnates and marries the daughter of a doctor, and this new little Muslim family receives 18 months of government assistance. They only came off welfare after the naïve young wife starts working 70 hours a week while husband Tamerlan stays home and builds bombs and plans to kill and injure the very Americans
    who have paid for his pathetic existence for the past 12 plus years.

    A Breakdown of our investment into the Tsarnaev Family:
    Section 8 housing
    Free public healthcare
    Food stamps and other EFT transfer payments
    Federal Pell Grants for both sons and most likely their daughters as well. (That is $5200.00 per year for each son or daughter who attended a college.)

    City of Cambridge awarded a $2500 per year scholarship to the younger son.
    Younger son also reportedly received a state college scholarship.

    What did taxpayers receive for their “investment”:
    Older son was arrested for domestic battery on a former girlfriend.
    The mother was arrested last year for shoplifting $1600 in
    merchandise from a Lord & Taylor store. Mother is facing immediate arrest for failure to appear regarding this matter.
    Then of course we know that the two sons combined to kill
    four people (3 Americans & a Chinese exchange student), severely injure 100 plus other people, carjacked another victim and only let him live when they found out that he was not an American citizen.
    Now we have the two pathetic parents who have returned to Russia and are claiming that their poor sons are innocent and being framed by the same American government that paid for their pathetic existence the past 12 plus years.

    It seems like liberals not only hate their Country Christians and Jews and the Constitution. But they LOVE Gays, Socialism, Hippies Obama, and Drugs.

  7. How dare you criticize Jews, you anti-Semitic b*stards!

    We are G_d's CHOSEN people!

    WE are ABOVE criticism!

  8. Talk about us again, and we'll SUE you for every penny you have. We'll SUE your family. We'll SUE your children!

    We WILL have our pound of flesh, Christians!

  9. I'm with Shaw on this one. Ascribing actions to a whole group of people is not logical. Is any group really so homogeneous?

    We can indeed see may Jewish people involved in the modern-day progressive movement, and the average American Christian would be shocked at how leftwing the average Israeli is, but this smacks of the broad brush employed by a character (MacDonald) with an agenda.

    America is the Great Whore, a modern day multi-teated Astarte with guns and blue jeans, and everybody seeks her favors. Can't blame "The Jews" for joining in on the game.

  10. I find it interesting that criticism of the article becomes an attack on the author of the article in typical name-calling fashion under the trite label of "neo-Nazi" and then citing the esteemed Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-defamation League of dear old Uncle Abe Foxman.

    It's evident any criticism of a Jew becomes twisted into the ever-present hyper-sensitivity that instantly spews forth "anti-Semite" or "neo-Nazi". There is plenty to criticize in the actions of individual Jews and one doesn't have to dig very deeply to unearth the disgusting actions and hatred directed by certain members of "the chosen people" as they attack "the goyim", overtly and covertly across time.

    Perhaps the greatest insight into what the chosen sect is about comes from individual Jews who have seen the inner workings of this group and they had the distinct courage to walk out and attempt to expose this criminal behaviour.

    If you want to uncover real hatred (against unworthy non Jews, i.e. the goyim, in particular) seek out the Talmudic Jewish sect.

    Good God, even the outright hater of reality and existence, Karl Marx, was himself an outright fraud perpetrated upon the world, since he was not a Jew hater as commonly portrayed, but rather a crypto-Zionist, whose mentor, Moses Hess is recognized and worshiped as one of the historic builders of the new world of Zionism in Israel.

  11. Hey, FT, what's next, Kristallnacht?

    You can throw the bricks and later RR leads the lynching of a few nigra.

  12. Here's a pretty balanced article on Professor MacDonald:

    My question is, when will non-violent white organizations be allowed to shout through bullhorns and employ the same rhetoric every other group in the US is currently allowed to do?

    At what point would it no longer be considered racist?

    How small a minority would white men have to be?

    How far in time would they have to be from the sins of their slave-owning ancestors?

    I ask these questions honestly, for I find "white" movements creepy and reductionist. It's like cramming all black people into the "African" category. Black people are not homogenous and cannot be placed in such a simple box. Indeed, none of us can.

    What is a "white" culture, anyway?

    I have seen no evidence that MacDonald is a neo-nazi, as the always hysterical SPLC screams.

    He has raised some issues, but I believe the fundamental error is couching it in racial terms.

    What we are really debating is culture and society. Indeed, many "whites" hate Western Christendom, and many blacks love and embrace it, pointing rightly to how it had given space to great men such as Reverend Martin Luther King to correct its sins while saving its many beneficial aspects.

    It is Howard Zinn and Reverend Wright's "God Damn America" versus The Founding Father's and William Bennett's God Bless America, The Last Best Hope. Western Civilization is not perfect, and its people have committed many sins, but it has also demonstrated a remarkable ability to self-correct.

    Black and White is a stupid debate.

  13. FT, I realize the validity of your comment directed at me. Being human I simply couldn't resist another opportunity to respond once again to aNon.

    I'm down at the senior center fitness room working as fitness trainer right now but as time allows I'll get back to you.

  14. This has been so much fun. Why end it?
    It's like taking good stamps away from the Wall at. Occupiers.

  15. Your argument would be more credible, Kurt, IF the article cited -- or any of the others referenced below it -- had referred to THE Jews, but that was not the case. Only "Jews" were referenced, and that only means -- if one understands English syntax correctly, which I know you and Ms. Shaw do -- SOME Jews not ALL.

    The word "disproportionate" often pops up in reference to Jewish influence on popular culture, the dissemination of news and information, radical leftist politics, and the education racket. Since there are only a tiny handful of Jews in the entire world, there could be no honest way to doubt that -- for WHATEVER reason -- they most certainly DO exert a hugely DISPROPORTIONATE influence in each of the spheres cited -- and many others as well.

    No one has said -- certainly not I -- that this is entirely a bad thing, but it surely is a noteworthy phenomenon, and THE most noteworthy thong ABOUT -- as far as I am concerned -- is that WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED to TAKE ANY NOTICE of IT WHATSOEVER.

    As AOW says in her sidebar:


  16. The needs and views of Jews
    Are forever in the news,
    While billions of the Red Chinese,
    The Taiwanese and Japanese
    The Lebanese and Portuguese
    Are treated like so many fleas.

    And Sub-Saharan Africans
    And all the South Americans
    And 20-million Mexicans.
    Are treated just like garbage cans ––

    Why this should be so
    No one's allowed to know,
    And yet it may be why
    The world's so full of woe.

    ~ "Ogden Gnash"

  17. I never alleged that you or MacDonald engaged in "HATE SPEECH," so peddle your martyrdom to somebody who gives a shit.

    "the organized Jewish community" is pretty damned close to "the jews," but here we are diddling over irrelevancies.

    So, was your purpose to play games? Set little traps to bait people in and then nitpick over pinprick differences in meaning?

    This is tedious bullshit, and my larger point still stands:

    Railing agains whole groups of people denegrates your argument.

    Suppose we could incontrovertably prove that the nefarious hand of leftwing Jews was involved. Then what?

    What do you propose to do about it?

  18. For everyone, here is Kevin MacDonald in his own words, at a website he founded:

    Unlike the leftwing batshit crazy Souther Poverty Law Center, I am not ready to declare MacDonald a racist or white supremacist.

    I do find his emphasis on whiteness disturbing. I presume from what I read that Southern Europeans don't belong in his club, nor do the people of European heritage to our south.

    So, in my opinion, he makes the same race-based error that Pat Buchanan makes. It is disgusting and insulting, and people like him can take their whole twisted, exclusionary agenda and pack it in their ass.

    They do far more harm to their cause than good, because they make race-based arguments and engage in scapegoating, and that discredits them, and puts their arguments beyond the pale for people who otherwise may have given them a listen.

    The proper debate is a civilizational and cultural one. To say that Mexicans do not share our broader Western Culture is insulting and ignorant.

    To refer darkly to nefarious machinations of "the organized Jewish community" puts off natural Jewish allies in the fight for Western Civilization.

    I congratulate you on this grand finale to your hate week.

    You finally brought it out in me.

  19. Here are specifics from MacDonald that I don't like. From a 2004 speech:

    "The best way to preserve ethnic interests is to defend an ethnostate—a nation that is explicitly intended to preserve the ethnic interests of its citizens."

    This next quote is also cited by his detractors, but with a few modificiations, I see nothing wrong with it as it stands by itself:

    "The alternative faced by Europeans throughout the Western world is to place themselves in a position of enormous vulnerability in which their destinies will be determined by other peoples, many of whom hold deep historically conditioned hatreds toward them. Europeans' promotion of their own displacement is the ultimate foolishness—an historical mistake of catastrophic proportions."

    We have many non-European people who came here because they believe in our ideals. Would he exclude them?

    His arguments are based upon ethnicity, not philosophical agreement, and that is my problem with him. And then the derivative pack of overt haters that consumes his material is even more exclusionary (Northern Europeans only. No Slavs or people of Latin origin).

    It's an ugly road he points down. He's obviously an educated man, and he has deliberately made his argument upon race and ethnicity, rather than shared culture, morality and political philosophy.

    Based upon that assessment made by the light of my God-given reason, I spit him out.

    And I do so without calling him a racist, although one could easily conclude that he is a racialist. I also do not accuse him of hate speech.

    I simply reject his argument that whiteys need to stick together.

    I am at least half Slav, and many of my friends and family are Hispanic, and although the leftys won't believe it, I actually have some black friends.

    So, according to Dr MacDonald's philosophy as espoused in his writings, my friends, my family, and I are not welcome in his exclusive club, so he can go fuck himself.

  20. Only the truth would offend the liberals. They seem to find some kind adverse reaction to it. Maybe it is too much for them to handle?

    I wish I could recall what news source I heard this from, but Muslims think that America is weak for giving free hand-outs.

    And they are taking advantage of it.

  21. FT: Please don't take my comments as a personal attack. I believe in freely discussing ideas without PC shackles and I congratulate you on hosting such a forum.

  22. You can throw the bricks and later RR leads the lynching of a few nigra.


    Sounds like Ducky is a product of Bostonian racist hatred embedded in the bowels of forced school busing in that bastion of liberalism itself, Boston.

  23. Talking about hate, both RN & Shaw are the biggest hateful scumbags on the blogs.

  24. You just hate Shaw because she lives in the Hub of the Universe.

  25. Everybody has a Hating Place
    A Hating Place to go Ho Ho!
    Take your smile
    Turn it into bile,
    And you'll find yours I know Ho Ho!


    I think MacDonald, who like Joe Sobran before him, is really a very nice man who has simply broken The Great Taboo of Our Times. I've corresponded with him a bit years ago. He's as mild as milk, and thinks of himself as a social scientist who has discovered a huge body of evidence that circumstances have caused us to ignore -- out of fear of retaliation.

    I believe he has told the truth, but whether or not what he has brought to light is a BAD thing -- or possibly a GOOD thing -- is very much subject to "interpretation."

    It's not a matter of "ethnicity," it's just a matter of FACT.

    It might be more useful to ask who among us who was responsible for infecting our culture with the Marxist-Progressive Plague was NOT Jewish?

    There would be many names of course, like Teddy Roosevelt, but -- Oh WAIT! -- as it turns out, the Roosevelts WERE ethnic Jews of DUTCH derivation. So was Sarah Delano, FDR's petulant, domineering Mama, who made poor Eleanor's married life an absolute hell -- talk about your stereotypical Jewish Mother! OY! ;-).

    But Woodrow Wilson certainly was not. Neither, unless I am very sadly mistaken, was John Dewey or Roger Baldwin, or Upton Sinclair, but when you consider the infinitesimal number of ethnic and religious Jews compared to each of the other identifiable segments of the population, the PROPORTION of Jews who could and should be described as "Radical-Leftist-Anarchist Subversives" is ENORMOUS in comparison to other ethnic, racial and religious groups.

    There can be no doubt whatsoever that the Politically Correct Movement that has ripped apart our social fabric and is destroying our souls, as we speak, had it's root in the deadly fear of being regarded as "anti-Semitic" in the wake of the Holocaust.

    THAT's where the concept came from. It's a moral, intellectual and spiritual CANCER that is eating us ALIVE. Turning against Jews would not help at all. Hitler tried that, and look where it landed us.

    However, recognizing and coming to terms with the Truth -- however harsh and unpalatable -- is the ONLY thing could heal us.

    The TRUTH will set you FREE -- NOT institutionalized hypocrisy based on fear of ostracism.

    When the facts don't fit our fond visions of How We Think Things Ought To Be, we ether DENY them -- or REVILE them -- and often feel a strong urge to KILL the MESSENGER, as it were.

    We simply can't STAND what we don't WANT to hear. It's the same for Conservatives as for Liberals. EVERYONE shares this flaw in equal measure.

    Wegottagetoverit, or we'll die.

  26. By the way, David Horowitz, an individual who couldn't possibly be MORE Jewish if he tried, wrote a book called RADICAL SON in which he ADMITTED, LAID BARE and PILED UP in NEAT LITTLE SQUARES a mountain of evidence that showed that what Joe Sobran and Kevin MacDonald have contended all along is the absolute Truth.

    Michael Savage -- another vociferous Jewish man from NYC -- and a great favorite of yours and mine, Mr. SilverFiddle, mocked, scorned, derided and laid out in lavender -- LEFTIST JEWS every single night on his radio program. He didn't LABEL them precisely as Jews, but anyone from New York could tell EXACTLY what he was saying. Like David Horowitz, Michael Weiner (his real name) HAD been ONE of THEM.

    Mark Levin, another Jewish man who has seen the Light, does the same thing every night in the radio and in countless articles.

    When you get it straight from the horse's mouth, you HAVE to believe it, unless you're a Dodo -- and I know damned well you're not.

  27. Ronald the ReaganMay 10, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    "Sounds like Ducky is a product of Bostonian racist hatred embedded in the bowels of forced school busing in that bastion of liberalism itself, Boston.

    You say that as though it were a bad thing, Waylaid.

  28. FreeThinke:

    You have laid out your case, and if I understand you correctly, you do not damn the entire Hebrew race, so I get that.

    I still ask, then what is the purpose of pointing out that Jewish people participated in the Progressive PC screwing up of our country? What is the purpose?

    Also, I stand my my words on MacDonald. He can go fuck himself. He doesn't want me, my family, friends and the ethnic non-whites and non-europeans I served with, sometime under dangerous circumstanses, in his exclusive club.

    He makes an ethnic argument, so he can kiss my greasy bohunk ass.

  29. Talking about hate, both RN & Shaw are the biggest hateful scumbags on the blogs.

  30. I wasn't aware of that aspect of his thinking, Kurt. I've hardly studied him in depth. Just read two or three of his articles. He's noted primarily for committing the unpardonable sin of daring to be critical of the Jewish Influence that has been instrumental in radically transforming the culture of this country in ways that have done us great injury.

    I can well understand why you would react as you have, although what you could possibly mean by calling yourself "a greasy bohunk" I can't imagine by even the wildest stretch of the imagination.

    My very own grandfather was extremely hostile to my dear mother -- a pretty, petite woman with Titian red hair and aquamarine-colored eyes whose parents were immigrants from Italy who emigrated here in the Great Migration of the late 1870's.

    My father's people on the other hand arrived here c. 1630 and married into some of the families who'd come over on the Mayflower. They fought in the Revolution and all that. Interesting, of course, but it didn't mean their you-know-what didn't stink. It was very sad that my paternal Grandpa thought it did. His attitude cast a long shadow over out family life that exists even to this day.

    HOWEVER, that kind of prejudice was perfectly normal a hundred and more years ago. EVERYONE felt that way in those days.

    A good thing we've grown past all that, of course, but we did NOT need arrogant, officious, radical leftists from Europe and their lousy RED DIAPER BABIES to teach us how. If anything THAT obnoxious influence has RETARDED social progress because that presumptuous, scolding approach got everyone's back up.

    By the time I came along (1941) we were all getting along SPLENDIDLY, but the effin' Sick-sties radicals ruined all that very quickly, and I know DAMNED well who got THEM all stirred up, even if you don't.

    I can't think why you'd want to remain ignorant of the malignant influences that have been brought to bear on the way we live today.

    My GOD! After the way we white middle-class people of British and European extraction have been lambasted, raked over the coals, spat upon, deracinated and all but shoveled onto the Ash Heap of History by Marx-inspired malcontents I can't imagine why WE should be expected just to take it on the chin, grovel before our new self-appointed masters and beg for their forgiveness.

    SHIT on THAT! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

  31. The pressure others to reform is great.
    Whoever won't conform inspires hate.

    An Ethos prevalent demands adherence,
    Or at least be lent a feigned sincere appearance.

    No one will tolerate what he despises,
    So, he'll berate who otherwise advises.

    The Bowels of Belief is where we live
    Where challenge never has Relief to give.

    Parochialism jails, and then it smothers
    Conformity impales then kills all others.

    ~ FreeThinke

  32. _____________ CONFESSION _____________

    I like rhymes, but not because they're clever.
It’s more because they don't go on forever.

If brevity at times my writing's lacked,

    Verse at least shares thoughts in ways compact

    ~ FreeThinke

  33. What about the overwhelming influence on our country of Christian white men of European ancestry? Up until 2008 they were the ONLY ones who held positions of power in the presidency, and for many, many years in the other branches of our government.

    It is THEY, the men of Christian European ancestry, who have led this country and overwhelmingly held the most important positions of power in government and in corporations.

    Why is that not something to disturb you?

  34. Why should it disturb me? Those you refer to were the people who made this country the great thing it was -- the Envy of the World and a Mecca for everyone who hoped to raise his standard of living in this, "The Land of Opportunity."

    These other elements mostly out jealousy, resentment, sheer spite and residual fear from the Mediaeval period have effectively torn it down and replaced it with the tawdry, stinking mess we live with today.

    I'm old enough to remember when things were ever so much samuch better, so why shouldn't I resent what has happened?

  35. And envy FreeThinke ultimately leads to contempt.

    But what do I know?

    The former thingy has pretty well been summed up. Don't cha think?

  36. Envy has always been categorized one of the Seven Deadly Sins, Les, precisely because it invariably leads to great unhappiness, and is never-- ever-- productive.

    Envy and the desire to wreak vengeance on those who've injured us -- terribly destructive emotions -- even though they are perfectly "natural."

    Well, the mood is set to change tomorrow morning at 3:30 AM.

    Let's see how many are willing to abandon the reflexive expression of hatred and disapproval after this curious free-for-all week.

    Hope springs eternal. ;-)

  37. That it does FreeThinke, that it does. Perhaps hope, guided by reason, grounded in logic, with just a slight hint of compassion will lead to a new and englighted renaissance.

    We can only wait, watch, and hope. Just as the human race has been doing throughout the ages.

    May true peace be with you.FreeThinke. You are indeed a free thinker and traveler. Truly rare in these days of indoctrination.

  38. "I'm old enough to remember when things were ever so much samuch better, so why shouldn't I resent what has happened?"

    evry old person on the planet says this and every young person on the planet doesn't believe them.

  39. Presenting an example for public examination is not "promoting," Ms. Shaw, anymore than posting pictures of the gas chambers at Auschwitz or an article chronicling the deed of Josef Mengele would be "promoting" Hitler's Germany --or a story about the death of Rachel Correy would necessarily "promote" an anti-Zionist position.

    I'm surprised you of all people don't understand that.

    Blind acceptance and eager dissemination of ANY brand of pre-digested "orthodox" views on ANY subject is nothing more than CHAUVINISM.

    That, of course, was the point of this week-long exercise.

    Breaking taboos and making an honest effort to examine things on whatever genuine merits or faults they may contain is an authentic way to get at the truth.

    Indoctrinated views spat mindlessly and reflexively do us no good at all -- even if those "canned" views might be in accordance with the truth.

    Well, on to ANTIDOTE WEEK. I hope you'll stay with us for that.

  40. "So, according to Dr MacDonald's philosophy as espoused in his writings, my friends, my family, and I are not welcome in his exclusive club, so he can go fuck himself."

    Very good.

    It makes me think of this:

    "What's the definition of a liberal? A conservative who's been mugged."

    McDonald mugged your sense of fairness and the ideal that is America, where anyone, regardless of race, color or creeed, can succeed on his or her own merits.

    I reject outright any attempt to denigrate any group of people because of individual bad actors in that group.

  41. I am a classical liberal, which is a very different creature than today's self-described "liberal."

    And MacDonald has not mugged me. I've seen his kind before. I have always had an extreme intolerance for people like him of all races, creeds and ethnicities.

    That is the problem I have with Islam. There is nothing inherent in Arabs or South Asians, but the Islamic ideology as practiced by the majority of Muslims is very illiberal.

    I don't say they are bad or evil, they just have a culture very different than ours, and the cultures are incompatible.

    For this reason, I am against Muslim immigration. The second-generation regressivism is also disturbing.

    We are all God's creatures, and we are all created equal, but that doesn't mean we have to allow others with divergent views to swamp our culture and plaster theirs over the top of it.

    Liberalism exists nowhere where Islam holds even a plurality. That should give us all pause.

    Having said that, I think America has the best Muslims in the world. They can practice their true faith here without compromising their beliefs, and it does no damage to larger society. That is the beauty of a liberal democracy, but it can eventually and paradoxically also be its downfall.

    If he had merely removed the racial component from his argument, and inserted Culture, civilization and liberal democracy, I would be with him, because cultures and nations do need to protect themselves.

    There. That should put that yawning gulf back between us. But I do thank you for the (I think) kind words.

  42. What's the definition of a liberal? A conservative who's been mugged."

    Hee hee! Of course the first time I heard that it went the other way 'round.

    That Rorschach thing again!

    See? Liberals are just Conservatives who've gone Through the Looking glass.


  43. Gosh! Could both be VILE, maybe?

    Awful thought!

  44. Or maybe each just acs as a VEIL that masks the other?

    Life as a series of ANAGRAMS!

    Well, why not?

    Makes about as much sense as any other cockamamie theory.

  45. @ "For this reason, I am against Muslim immigration. The second-generation regressivism is also disturbing."

    Clarifying codicil: If our government were even half worth a damn at sorting out the bad ones, I would change my stance. I do not believe there is Muslims are inherently bad. I do believe, because of religious indoctrination, many are unassimilable or at least bound to find themselves at enmity with the culture of their new Western home.

  46. Unfortunately, SF, they're not the ONLY ones, they're just more obvious about it.

    Conquest and subjugation or annihilation. That's the sorry history of the world.

    "WE" had it all -- for a while -- and now it's being WRESTED from "US" by means more subtle and insidious than than superior firepower. Instead we've been SEDUCED and SUBORNED into denying our heritage surrendering our birthright, and have thus come close to rotting away from within.

    The damage has been done. Alas! There can be no going back, but -- now please don't take this wrong -- it's the very DECENCY and HUMILITY of people with your kind of character that made this INTELLECTUAL and SPIRITUAL RAPE possible.

    You're so good-hearted you just can't see what's happened, because the truth is too appalling to accept for anyone of virtue.

    The "enemy" plays by a different set of rules, of course -- actually NO RULES at ALL -- which gives him a tremendous tactical advantage -- BUT look at how desperately unhappy and maladjusted "he" always is wherever "he" goes. All the intellectual brilliance and cleverness and RUTHLESS DETERMINATION in the world will never buy happiness and contentment, it only buys VICTORY in DESTRUCTION of others.

    Malignant mentalities really DO exist -- and they are NOT by any means "equally distributed" among the various peoples of this world.

    Some people are foxes, but MOST people are hares.

    Regrettably, it has been ever thus.

    Nietzsche said something to the effect that "Nobility will become extinct, because of its very nature."

    Nietzsche may be hard to take, but I'm afraid he's right more often that we'd like to admit.

  47. FT: Words of wisdom from you once again. I cannot disagree, although I'm sure no liberal or progressive who's ever tangled with me would agree that I'm "so good-hearted...

    Having dipped my mind into Kierkegaard, and returned to Unamuno, I am now seeing the wisdom of Nietzsche, although is sourness still puts me off, as does Sarte's.

    We are ants in a heap, biting off the heads of the nonconformists...

    C'est la vie...

  48. You are, Kurt. Good-hearted, that is. You are.



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