Tuesday, August 25, 2015

The Very Real Costs of 
Birthright Citzenship

by IAN TUTTLE, August 21, 2915

“Peter and Ellie Yang,” the subjects of Benjamin Carlson’s fascinating new Rolling Stone essay, “Welcome to Maternity Hotel California,” paid $35,000 to have their second child in the United States. In 2012 Chinese state media reported 10,000 “tourist births” by Chinese couples in the United States; other estimates skew as high as 60,000. 

Following Donald Trump’s call for an end to birthright citizenship, and renewed attention on “anchor babies,” Carlson’s exposé on “birth tourism” seems to confirm that the current interpretation of the 14th Amendment works as a magnet for at least some parents across the globe. But just how big a magnet is it? 

According to Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) legal policy analyst Jon Feere, ... between 350,000 and 400,000 children are born annually to an illegal-alien mother residing in the United States — as many as one in ten births nationwide. 

As of 2010, four out of five children of illegal aliens residing in the U.S. were born here — some four million kids. ... The Pew Research Center noted that, while illegal immigrants make up about 4 percent of the adult population, “because they have high birthrates, their children make up a much larger share of both the newborn population (8 percent) and the child population (7 percent) ....” 

The cost of this is not negligible. Inflation-adjusted figures from the U.S. Department of Agriculture projected that a child born in 2013 would cost his parents $304,480 from birth to his eighteenth birthday. Given that illegal-alien households are normally low-income households (three out of five illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children live at or near the poverty line), one would expect that a significant portion of that cost will fall on the government. 

And that’s exactly what‘s happening. According to CIS, 71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with children received some sort of welfare in 2009, compared with 39 percent of native-headed houses with children. 

Illegal immigrants generally access welfare programs through their U.S.-born children, to whom government assistance is guaranteed. Additionally, U.S.-born children of illegal aliens are entitled to American public schools, health care, and more, even though illegal-alien households rarely pay taxes. 

RELATED: Trump’s Critics Are Wrong about the 14th Amendment and Birthright Citizenship 

The short-term cost of “anchor babies” was revealed a decade ago in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. “‘Anchor babies’ born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income,” wrote medical attorney Madeleine Pelner Cosman. She noted the increasingly costly situation in California: 


In 2003 in Stockton, California, 70 percent of the 2,300 babies born in San Joaquin General Hospital’s maternity ward were anchor babies, and 45 percent of Stockton children under age six are Latino (up from 30 percent in 1993). 

In 1994, 74,987 anchor babies in California hospital maternity units cost $215 million and constituted 36 percent of all Medi-Cal ...  births. Now [2005] they account for substantially more than half. 

While perhaps humane, measures such as the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, which requires hospital emergency departments to treat all patients with an “emergency” (an infinitely malleable term), regardless of documentation or ability to pay, have facilitated the abuse of American health care by illegal aliens, according to Cosman. 

RELATED: What Conservatives Get Wrong 
about Birthright Citizenship and the Constitution

There are long-term costs, too. U.S.-born children of illegal aliens can sponsor the immigration of family members once they come of age. At 18, an “anchor baby” can sponsor an overseas spouse and unmarried children of his own; at 21, he can sponsor parents and siblings. 

There may be a long waiting period before that legal benefit is of use. But it’s a fact that illegal aliens with American-born children are much less likely to be deported, and that policy has been effectively enshrined in law with President Obama’s Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA) policy, which would effectively grant amnesty to some 5 million illegal aliens, on top of the 2 to 3 million granted amnesty under his Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy. 

(DAPA is currently under scrutiny in the courts.) 

It is difficult to contend that the promise of birthright citizenship is not serving as a magnet. Carlson’s Rolling Stone essay is not about “anchor babies,” as the term is commonly applied (to children of illegal aliens), but about “birth tourists” — persons from overseas, typically of some means, who acquire temporary visas in order to give birth in the United States. Yet if middle-class Chinese (and Russian and Turkish and Nigerian) couples are incentivized by the 14th Amendment to travel to the U.S. to give birth, shouldn’t it be an even bigger draw for expecting mothers from Latin America, who typically live in much more difficult circumstances? 

Note, as an indicator of the power of immigration incentives, the massive influx of unaccompanied minors that converged on the U.S.–Mexico border last summer when news of DACA spread through Central America. 

Ending birth tourism is difficult. The tools available to Customs and Border Patrol — for example, spotting and enforcing visa fraud — are ineffective, and the penalty for at least some visa-related offenses is a prohibition on visits after the current visit. 



But “anchor babies” are a largely preventable phenomenon, mainly by the simple enforcement of current immigration laws. Stopping illegal immigration at the border, and instituting an actually effective visa-tracking system to crack down on overstays, would do much to discourage efforts to take advantage of American largesse. 

With The Donald’s prompting, birthright citizenship has become the focus of the current news cycle — despite ... current political realities, the composition of the Supreme Court, and the history of 14th Amendment jurisprudence, ending the practice is a fanciful aim. 

But that is all right. “Anchor babies” are a small, though not negligible, component of our ongoing illegal-immigration crisis. Prioritizing border and visa enforcement to help end our much larger problems would do much to resolve this one, too. 


  1. "Prioritizing border and visa enforcement to help end our much larger problems would do much to resolve this one, too."

    LOL! Yeah, right.


    1. What is that supposed to mean, Jersey?

      When you keep dropping cryptic nonsense that reveals only your profound ignorance or deep prejudice, you do a disservice to your point of view.

      I wish you would take the trouble to mount an adequate defense of your anti-Conservative position.

      The type of scorn, contempt, insolence, prevarication and pseudo-earnestness we get from the Marxian DUCK is not accepted here any longer.

      I have a liking for you, because you show a good sense of humor about yourself and all the rest of it. I think to you this may all seem like a game we play just for fun to pass the time away. Well, that's much better than the typical dour, dreary, humorless, bitterly hostile, dyed-in-the-wool Red Diaper Baby approach TRUE leftists like our friend the implacable DUCK invariably exhibit.

      At least you come across as an AMERICAN and not some pernicious FOREIGN AGENT brainwashed from birth by the insidious mental and spiritual poison dreamt up by the alienated, hate-filled but demonically clever Jewish Intellectuals of the Frankfurt School who dedicated their lives to destroying Christian Civilization by making Bolshevism seem less harsh, less radical, less violent and more palatable to the generally placid Western Bourgeoisie.

      I honestly believe you have no idea what has been done to you by the dominant media culture and the destructive nature of much of the so-called music you enjoy, and si I refuse to reject you. I think, as most do not, that there may be hope for you yet.

    2. LOL! I'm glad you feel that way!

      The only point I'm making is that all the border enforcement in the world is just a waste of time if employers can continue to staff 5-7% of the workforce with unauthorized employees.

      Here's another reason why I say this:

      "Currently, 62 percent of undocumented immigrants have been living in the United States for 10 years or longer, and a full 88 percent have been living in the United States for five years or longer." https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/report/2014/10/23/59040/the-facts-on-immigration-today-3/

      They're already here. Border enforcement sounds all nice and law-enforcement-y but it is a myth that it will do much of anything to actual help the situation. You have to go after the employers. If you do not hold them accountable, but just blame liberals and media, then you're just not taking the issue seriously. It seems to me you are being suckered by pols and pundits who's only goal is to maintain the status quo and keep your attention diverted.

      As for the "dominant media culture," I don't pay mach attention to it, never have, and I'm quite media savvy, so it hasn't done anything to me. As for the music I played and enjoy, it was outside that culture, a counter-culture, and firmly and angrily set against the "dominant media culture."

      Here's one of my favorite tunes. It was written 35 years ago. Pretty prescient, huh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK7F3qT3ABs

      I like a lot of different music, but I especially like music that actually says something and imparts real emotion, instead of just making you feel "cultured."


    3. JMJ,
      The only point I'm making is that all the border enforcement in the world is just a waste of time if employers can continue to staff 5-7% of the workforce with unauthorized employees.

      Did the earth just move? I agree with you on that point, JMJ!

    4. JMJ,
      Border enforcement sounds all nice and law-enforcement-y but it is a myth that it will do much of anything to actual help the situation

      We disagree there.

    5. JMJ,
      I call your attention to this, and I rather imagine that you respect this source....

      "It always seems impossible until it’s done." - Nelson Mandela

    6. I echo AOW's agreement and disagreement with Jersey.

      The problem is not that our nation is in the grip of idiotic leftwinger nor is it that we are in the grip of evil rightwingers...

      We are in the grip of batwinged international corporatists.

    7. "We are in the grip of batwinged international corporatists."

      You mean The OLIGARCHS, of course don't you?

      Glad we finally see eye to eye on that critical point.

      Traditional party politics are in truth passé.

      It's INTERNATIONALISM v. Preservation of Sovereignty now.

    8. FT,
      It's INTERNATIONALISM v. Preservation of Sovereignty now.

      Yes, and internationalism is winning.

    9. How about we just do the right thing and welcome and assimilate these folks. They were good enough for Americans to hire, they're good enough to become Americans. I'm tired of this ethnic-nationalism. It's disgusting. I've known lots of immigrants, legal and illegally here, and they were just the same as the rest of us. America is an idea, not a race. Most of these people have been here a long time. They work, they pay taxes, they are human beings exactly like the rest of us. They should not be treated as less, lest we develop a permanent caste society, a very dangerous and unstable thing. I hope the American voter speaks to this issue in 2016, and crushes the GOP. I hoping to see big losses over this again. I'm expecting, actually.


    10. JMJ,
      Are you personally reaching out to welcome and assimilate these folks?

    11. Yeah, Jersey, how many will you personally sign up to take care of and assume responsibility for?

      I partially agree with you. Many of these people are fully-integrated into the community, jobs, own houses, kids in school, etc.

      I don't want to see those people sent back.

      What I don't get is how you lefties stubbornly resist putting barriers to further illegal immigration in place (be it physical, employment verification, whatever).

      That's the point. We shut down the magnet. Then we have an orderly process for bringing people in, we welcome them, assimilate them, and society is much more accepting of them because the stigma is not there, and we're helping them become equal, productive members of society.

    12. AoW, I spent five years working with unauthorized workers when I was young.

      And guys, we all know this is a very complex subject. When I say welcome them, I mean to a variety of extents for a wide variety of situations.

      Many of the foreign workers here are not here with their families, and have no intention of staying here. That's why, among those groups, there are more men than women. These groups include migrant workers, but also many temporary but relatively settled workers. What we need with them is papers, because it is through these groups that we get most of the smuggling, violence and other ugliness. If we had a way to quickly process these workers and keep track of them, the borders would be a lot easier to secure.

      Then, of course, there are permanent undocumented aliens who have established themselves in our communities, and they have to be processed, and at this point we have to face the reality that they need to be absorbed, asap. The status quo is no longer acceptable. We are creating a third world in our own country. They are the closest thing to slave labor in the developed world, and we should be ashamed of it. Most of them have been here for years. It's time to stop being hateful bigots, grow up, and accept our latest migration.

      Now, while we do that, we say to all the employers out there - fully and actually verify the the legality of your employee or you go to prison. And we fully and really put people in prison for hiring undocumented aliens.


    13. JMJ,
      I, too, have spent quite a bit of time working with immigrants (many, but not all, legal immigrants from South Korea). And, as I've said elsewhere, I actually paid some bills for students who were illegal immigrants. I know both the good and the bad about immigration. Remember that I am a Spanish major -- and, wow, does that come in handy these days!

      They are the closest thing to slave labor in the developed world, and we should be ashamed of it.

      No argument there. Have you read Mexifornia? If not, you should read the book -- even if you don't care for the author thereof.

      Accepting our latest migration is not a good option if we are accepting blindly. Illegal laborers are driving down the wages for all in the class of unskilled laborers (legal or otherwise).

      we say to all the employers out there - fully and actually verify the the legality of your employee or you go to prison. And we fully and really put people in prison for hiring undocumented aliens.

      Strongly agree! It is wrong to punish only the illegals and not those who are using them as slave labor. Moral issue, IMO.

    14. "Illegal laborers are driving down the wages for all in the class of unskilled laborers (legal or otherwise)."

      That's another reason we need to legalize them. The market is demanding the labor. Of course they will import labor if it is cheaper. We can't entirely stop that, nor should we. But we can at least put a floor on the wages and rights, and legalization accomplishes that.


    15. JMJ,
      But we can at least put a floor on the wages and rights, and legalization accomplishes that.

      It won't be accomplished, though. Congress critters bollux up almost all the legislation they draft.

    16. Well, I'm not a fan of throw-up-your-hands-and-do-nothing conservatism. We need to get it done.


    17. Don't know what you mean by that, Jersey. Conservatives want to restore border control and enforce work laws.

      Of course, the Crony Chamber or Communists and the progressive Silicon Valley types want the status quo, but don't slap us with that broad brush.

      You can't get it through your thick skull that we can't address this until we put measures in place to stop the flow. The amnesty in 86 just encouraged new waves.

      We are the stupidest nation on earth

    18. No, we are not. Some Americans however, have gotten into their thick, stupid heads that somehow border enforcement must be "done first" and nothing else can be done without it. How much border control? How? How much more than we already have? Nothing. Just "DUUUUUH, I'M A FUCKIN' RETARD, SECURE THE BORDER, DUUUUUUHHHHH!!!!"


  2. About Maternity Hotel California....

    About 20 years ago, my sister-in-law and her husband living in Altadena, California, had their one and only child. My sister-in-law was 38 years old and had pregnancy complications. In spite of having health insurance, they had a whopping medical bills to the point of having to declare medical bankruptcy. The illegal immigrant with my sister-in-law in the maternity ward had her baby and walked away debt free (No assets? Vanished? False ID? I don't recall).

    Rinse and repeat all over Southern California even those 20 years ago.

  3. According to CIS, 71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with children received some sort of welfare in 2009, compared with 39 percent of native-headed houses with children.

    Illegal immigrants generally access welfare programs through their U.S.-born children, to whom government assistance is guaranteed. Additionally, U.S.-born children of illegal aliens are entitled to American public schools, health care, and more, even though illegal-alien households rarely pay taxes.

    Why is that acceptable?

    It isn't!

    Somebody is bearing those costs. Who? You and I, for starters.

    1. It's happened because our society has been softened up and confused by the constant machinations of anti-American Mercy Freaks and Grievance Junkies who constantly beat the drum telling ordinary, middle and working class Americans they have no right to have what they have, because "we" STOLE it (from the Indians), DEVELOPED it by EXPLOITING (the Negroes), and were, ourselves, EXPLOITED and ROBBED of RIGHTFUL COMPENSATION for our LABOR by the selfish, arrogant, abusive, deceitful ROBBER BARONS who in fact created the Modern Age with their vision, courage, and unstoppable ambition.

      The Enemedia and the Educrats have created, promoted and effectively brainwashed a huge percentage of the American Public into accepting this frankly SUICIDAL mentality as necessary, right good and proper in order to achieve what-the Left-loves-to-call SOCIAL JUSTICE.

      to a certain extent ALL of us have bought the idea, because the Left has even taken over much of the Church and has PERVERTED the GOSPEL into serving the septic ideology first voiced by Hegel and Karl Marx.

    2. FT,

      But they aren't bearing the costs the way that the middle class is.

  4. I'm glad that Donald Trump has brought the matter of anchor babies to national attention. He has done us the taxpayers an important service.

    Birthright citizenship is NOT enshrined in the 14th Amendment.

    Go to THIS LINK (published in 1866). In the right hand column, read what Mr. Cowan said at the time of the 14th Amendment.

    In fact, read the entire piece, which comes from from the Congressional Record.

    I am unconvinced that our political leaders don't know this! I ferreted it out, didn't I? Surely our so-called elected representatives can do so, too.

    1. "The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

      The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes children born to foreign diplomats and children born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory.

      According to a Congressional Research Service report, birthright citizenship is the same concept as "natural-born citizen," a qualification for the office of President of the United States."

      After plowing through all that stuff abut Jus Sanguinis, Jus Soli and Jus Lexi (did I get those right?) I feel more confused than ever.

      The thrust of that lengthy data-rich article in WIKI appears to favor the idea that "Jus Soli" means that we DO in fact accord AUTOMATIC CITIZENSHIP to any baby who just happens to be born within the territorial confines of the United States of America REGARDLESS of whether his parents are FOREIGN NATIONALS who have no particular love for the USA –– no feelings of ALLEGIANCE to the USA ––, and no intention of ever becoming American Citizens, themselves.

      If that IS so, it is clearly INSANELY self-destructive, and MUST be STOPPED. Jus Soli, if I understand it right, creates a situation perennially RIPE for ABUSE.

      What POSSIBLE rationale could there be for such a policy other than a frankly treasonous desire to change our natural demographic preferences in order to effect permanent social change by filling the land with the poorest, neediest, most wretched and deprived elements on earth –– MOST of whom could be easily manipulated into guaranteeing PERMANENT INCUMBENCY to the Marxian-Liberal-Progressive-Statists who are in fact DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for creating this vast DEMOGRAPHIC IMBALANCE for SELF-SERVING purposes.

      Underlying all that, however, is the original ambition of the Cultural Marxist Movement to destroy, White-Christian-Capitalist HEGEMONY. The hatred of too many of the most powerful Jewish intellectuals for Christendom is so deep-seated these people would prefer to DESTROY THEMSELVES rather than permit White, Christian Hegemony to CONTINUE unabated.

      And THAT, dear friends IS the TRUTH harsh and unpalatable as it may seem.

      IDEAS are more POWERFUL than any OTHER force that has bearing on human conduct.

      We need to respect the power of the intellect much more than we do, and to learn how to DIFFERENTIATE between GOOD ideas and BAD ideas.

      "SALVATION" in Sanskrit means "a turning of the mind."

      In truth we ARE what we THINK. That means it well behooves all of us to learn how to eschew malevolence, think benevolently, and to give due consideration each day to the potential RAMIFICATIONS of every seemingly new, bright, shiny and seductive concept dangled in front of us by the political and psychological HUCKSTERS that come down the pike many of whom are wolves in sheep's clothing.

      In other words when a Pied Piper comes into YOUR version of Hamelin, regard him with a weather eye, investigate his background, question him about his motives, make him PROVE HIMSELF to YOUR satisfaction, etc.

      We must learn how to RESIST expedient, superficial, apparently "easy solutions" to pressing problems, and EMBRACE faith, decency, intellectual honesty, trust in unstinting affection, self-discipline, long-range-planning based on realistic goals, and good old-fashioned hard work.

    2. FT,
      As we've discussed elsewhere and as I have recently posted on my blog, the interpretation of jus soli hinges upon the legal definition of "jurisdiction."

      Silverfiddle has also recently posted on this topic.

      People all along the political spectrum have ASSumed that birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants is a Constitutional right. It. Is. Not. Furthermore, there is no need to eliminate the 14th Amendment.

      Do I have a law degree? No. But I did take a graduate level course in School Law. I full well know and understand that legal definitions can differ from dictionary definitions.

  5. I find it interesting that many who support birthright citizenship do not support American exceptionalism with regard to much of anything else.

    Many who support birthright citizenship love Europe's socialism, too.

    Now look at this:

    Almost all states in Europe, Asia, Africa, and Oceania grant citizenship at birth based upon the principle of jus sanguinis (right of blood), in which citizenship is inherited through parents not by birthplace, or a restricted version of jus soli in which citizenship by birthplace is not automatic for the children of certain immigrants.

    1. This type of self-destructive passion is undoubtedly the direct result of having permitted the deadly toxin of Cultural Marxism to invade and colonize our shores at first within the confines of our universities, and to develop seductive forms of Popular Entertainment designed to undermine our traditional values while they charmed, beguiled and dazzled us with meretricious Kitsch masquerading at first as light, sophisticated "comedy," and later as deadly serious anti-Establishment social criticism. This led all too quickly to crypto-Marxian domination of the media, which soon transformed itself into the ENEMEDIA that plagues us still today.

      Jus Sangunis means that if you are born to Korean or Danish parents while those parents are traveling abroad, you are considered KOREAN or DANISH and NOT a citizen of wherever you happen to be parking your carcass at any given moment when your baby is born. Is that correct?

      Sounds right to me.

      The question is this: Since the Fourteenth Amendment was so carelessly written, it is, therefore, subject to "interpretation" by the agenda-drive intellectual brigands on the Left who always want to UPEND everything using their deadly forms of sophistry, cunning, and guile. What CAN we reasonably do to COMBAT their perverse, cleverly-worded challenges to our once-accepted norms?

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    1. Ugh. That would guarantee Democrat dominance in perpetuity...

    2. SF,
      Ugh. That would guarantee Democrat dominance in perpetuity...

      And so will this continued flood.

    3. Any FOOL knows that in order to repair the damage to the house from a flooded bathroom you must FIRST STOP the LEAK.


    4. More likely, once the US breaks up, big parts of the southwest will instead become part of Mexico.

    5. SF,
      And then some there will still be trying to flee to the good ol' USA.

    6. AOW,

      We'll all be trying to break into Canada...

  7. Maybe Trump is right?August 25, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    I've been to the border between US and Mexico and sorry that fence is not across the whole border...if you're going to post, please post truths or else you make us democrats look just as willing to lie for their agenda as the republicans.. Besides, Trump may gave a point. something has to be done about this problem.
    And you can be sure that neither Obama nor Hillary will do anything about it.

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  9. In answer to Stupid Liberial remarksAugust 25, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    Gee, the citizens of Norway and Sweden are happy content with their lives and opportunities and have no desire to illegally cross the border between their two countries. And you want to compare this to the U.S. and Mexico, really?

  10. Much has been said in the enemedia and Donald Trump's detractors about the PROHIBITIVE COST of DEPORTING ELEVEN MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS.

    What astonishes me is the way no one on public life –– or even among my circle of friends and acquaintances –– has had the wit to counter that by asking HOW MUCH MORE WILL IT COST if we LET THEM STAY?

  11. FT asked:


    Yes, that is a very important question!

    To estimate the answer, we first have to look at how much the cost has been for a specific period of time -- then compute from there.

    Good luck getting an accurate figure for that first part (how much the cost has been for a specific period of time)/

    Do we have a figure for how many entitlement dollars illegals are already consuming?

  12. A Progressive PerspectiveAugust 26, 2015 at 8:02 AM

    We need real solutions to the immigration problems. Not the so called solutions that the TeePeers come up with.

    One solution was the Dream Act, which would have been a small step in addressing the thousands of children and young adults who were brought here as babies and toddlers by their undocumented parents. The D.A. spelled out very specific conditions that the young adults would have to conform to in order to earn citizenship. IIRC, they had to have stayed in school, graduated, not have a police record, among other requirements. These young adults know no other country but this one to which they were brought and where they grew up. They are culturally American, and Congress should have made the small step in granting them citizenship if they fulfilled all the requirements set out in the Act. Congress abandoned them, and now they are still in limbo, facing an uncertain future. What does it say about our political system that we can't solve our man-made problems?

    1. How can you explain black violence in the inner cities and the decay of infrastructure governed by progressive socialist democrats?

      Can you "Progressive's" explained that without your bleeding heart excuses?

    2. Phyllis Butts-McCrackenAugust 26, 2015 at 3:18 PM


      D-Baggers don't have to explain anything. They just wreck things, and the people whose lives they wreck go ahead and vote for them anyway

    3. And Thank GOD we do.

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    1. And, get this!

      From the link I just left:

      2008 census data analyzed by the Pew.

    2. We may be able to OUT THINK 'EM, but we will NEVER be able to OUTBREED 'EM.

      At least the Hispanics embrace LIFE, while "WE" have chosen STERILITY and DEATH.

      Since God IS Life, how can the Hispanics NOT win?

      In truth they DESERVE to gain victory over a septic culture that prefers cheap thrills, meretricious material frippery and instant gratification over a loving, nurturing, life-enhancing, environment centered in family life and love of the Holy Spirit.

      GOD works in mysterious ways, and I strongly suspect that HE is NOT on "OUR" side, and hasn't been since we took a huge wrong turn in the Roaring Twenties and ended with an all out adoration of Sex, Drugs and Rock 'n Roll.

      As a people, we committed suicide a long time ago. We just haven't buried our stinking rotted corpse yet.

    3. FT,
      At least the Hispanics embrace LIFE, while "WE" have chosen STERILITY and DEATH.

      Since God IS Life, how can the Hispanics NOT win?

      Breeding beyond what one can afford to support isn't brilliant, IMO. It cycles the progeny into poverty over the long term. Unless, of course, the gubmint steps in and taxes everybody else to the point that everybody else cannot afford to breed.

      Can we look back at history, recent or earlier, to see what overbreeding does?

      As for cheap thrills, many of the younger Hispanics are just as septic. Visit any middle school in a sanctuary city to see exactly what I mean.

    4. I don't think you understood what I meant, AOW. BIOLOGY (i.e. SEX) trumps religion, philosophy, ideology, law, justice, and national boundaries, whether we LIKE it or NOT.

      The Latinos AND the Muslims OUTBREED "us" at least ten to one probably more. There is NO WAY "our" culture, "our" traditions, "our" values, "our" RACE could possible survive.

      White people who fancy themselves intelligent and well-educted have OUTSMARTED themselves by refusing to produce CHILDREN in sufficient numbers to replace existing white populations.

      "We" are in effect COMMITTING SUICIDE –– our current way of life GUARANTEES our EXTINCTION –– probably in less than two hundred years at best –– probably LESS.

  14. This is just the sort of temperament the TeaPublicans admire in a presidential candidate -- a loutish, insulting bully who'll promise them everything and deliver nothing, except "I'm gonna be

    And all this time I thought this Putz was talking about Obama

  15. We are screwed, blues and tattooedAugust 26, 2015 at 3:52 PM

    Worse than Hillary, if there can be worse we have . Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist who does not believe in private property and wants the government to run your life. And, if that was not bad enough, we have Hillary Clinton; a corrupt, liar, whose is all about cronyism and Marxism. She can’t be trusted to preserve national security and everything she touched in foreign affairs turned to crap. Or as Carly Fiorina pointed out, “Flying around the world is an activity, not an accomplishment.”

    1. Who told you Bernie Sanders does not believe in private property? Where is your PROOF of that assertion?

      Every socialist I know owns LOTS of property; many of them are filthy RICH as a matter of fact.

      I can't explain it either, but it's TRUE.

  16. Lets get something clear and straight. A person on these boards wrote a comment as follows.
    “I do not like Donald Trump and do not think he would be any good as a president, and he is very racist in his opinions of people as a whole”

    When you criticize any culture other than your own, the PC cultured people tend to label you as a racist.
    On September the 11th, Trump's city (New York City) was attacked by Muslims who happened to be Arabs. and 3,000 innocent civilians were murdered. If Trump is critical of Muslims he is not being racist or even ethnocentric, he's just being honest and putting an end to political correctness.

    Why is Trump wrong about the Mexicans who have come here ILLEGALLY?

    He said they have many problems, which is clearly true.
    He said some of them are rapists. This is true.
    He said some of them are murderers. This is also true.
    Who can dispute this?
    So what is the problem?

    1. The problem with that point of view is that it's another example of LYING –– or deliberately MISLEADING ––with FACTS –– a technique the Left uses all the time, and "we" are using more and more.

      The impression most people get from broad-brushed statements like that is that the MAJORITY of Illegal immigrants do those terrible things ALL the TIME, therefore the conclusion we are supposed to draw is that ALL illegal immigrants are UNDESIRABLE and NOT to be TRUSTED.

      That this is manifestly untrue doesn't seem to matter to those deeply prejudiced views.

      When a potential leader panders shamelessly to the biases and pet peeves of his audience, and makes no attempt to present a more BALANCED picture, it's accurate to say he is acting like a would-be DEMAGOGUE.

      As Aristotle wisely observed three centuries before the birth of Jesus Christ, "Democracies are most easily corrupted by the insolence of demagogues."

      When any would-be leader tells you ONLY what he knows you WANT to HEAR, you can be pretty sure that fellow is most probably a danger to liberty, freedom of choice of choice and the democratic process.

      Demagogues can emerge from the RIGHT as well as the LEFT.

  17. Question: . Who said “No sane country’ would allow anchor babies or reward illegal’s”
    Answer: . Harry Reid in 1993.

  18. Why is Trump leading the GOP candidates? Some analysts believe it's because his constituency, older, less educated whites, are fearful of the changes they see happening in this country and don't like the idea of the browning of the American population. Trump taps into their fears and ignorance. These people feel tired of being ignored, lectured and talked down to. What that really means is that Trump's followers are in competition with other Americans who don't look like them, they believe when people point out facts, that's being "lectured and talked down to." No one can "talk down" to you unless you already feel inadequate, and Trump's fans have a lot to feel inadequate about. Trump picks up on that to his advantage and to the GOP's disadvantage. Trump's ideas for repealing the 14th amendment and his 11 million deportation plans are clearly nutty, but those ideas make the minority of GOPers who support him feel powerful again.

  19. I ask you, Dosn't it take a complete Blooming IDIOT to write something like this (Below)!

    "Wall Street Journal Warns Republicans Are Greatest Threat To America’s Economy

    Don't even bother to answer, of course it does!

    1. But IS that true? DID the WSJ print that, or is some mischief maker merely putting you on?

    2. I also saw this, or wa featured on the Progressive's blog

    3. Tetanus Schotte said

      Why would you want to go THERE?

      Are you a MASOCHIST?

      Are you a RAGEAHOLIC?

      Or do you just get a kick from plunging your head into an open sewer every now and then?

  20. The democrats got hijacked by the commies, and they have now become what they call themselves “Peogressive’s”. Trump is only a distraction to them, what bothers them about Trump is that he isn’t afraid to piss allover them, …and that is a good thing.

    He does not apologize, he speaks the truth, he does not cave to their PC bullshit,, and he knows what America needs. The Dems better think long and hard if they want to survive. This may prove their undoing if they go after Trump..and they will deserve it.
    Why the hell has it taken a man like The Donald so long to lash out at the very people who control our destiny?

    These are things I would expect from a third world shithole full of crooked politics. But nope, it is here in America. Too many people are afraid to speak out and agree with Trump. Why? Because they don’t want to be associated with someone who is so drastic. But I’m not one of those pansies, I’ll say it like it is. The race card had obtained the whitehouse for obama and kept people in line when obama should be criticized severely. Lots of people who know the real obama have ended up DEAD. Obama has been closely linked to being ALL of the following:

    Racist, Muslim, Communist, Homosexual, Anti-white, Anti-capaitalist, and HATES America and Americans. These are NOT weak claims or just talk. There is hard evidence for all of it, and no one looks into this. Throughout history people like Obama were known as Dictators, so why are we so afraid to call a “spade a spade” Because he’s a black man? I think not.

    1. It's NOT necessary to use vulgar terminology. We don't like to see it here, because it degrades the board. I'll let this stay, because I don't disagree with much of what you're trying to say, but next time PLEASE omit the FOUR-LETTER words, and stop hurling INSULTS.

      SNEERING reflects poorly on YOU and it does a disservice to the good things we try to stand for.

      Thanks for your future cooperation.

  21. With the republican-controlled congress as the largest threat to the U S economy, just imagine the damage they could do with a republican president to rubber stamp their moves. Forget the terrorists. The number one threat to the U.S. is a crazed republican president.

  22. When nothing else works the "Progressive's " resort to publishing photo of semi nude photos of Ms. Trunp. I guess there's NO point in publishing any photos of .The Moocher. That would only scare away the audience .

  23. Every time there is an act of terrorism committed in the name of Islam we are told we’re not supposed to judge all Muslims by the acts of a few Muslim crazies, but the acts of a few American crazies are enough for damned near the entire Liberal Left to condemn ALL Americans who own guns.

    Regarding the shooting today Hillary Clinton said, We Cannot Wait Any Longer to End Gun Violence. Well, OK Miss Know it All, just what do YOU have in YOUR little bag of tricks that will end gun violence?
    Can anyone besides me see the hypocrisy of that statement?
    Putting aside the fact that Hillary Clinton is a corrupt liar who is most likely to be indicted rather than assume the Presidency, it is no wonder her dishonesty spills over into gun control..
    Now Hillary Clinton isn’t stupid and she certainly knows that it is the individual behind the gun that is the problem, not a piece of steel called a “gun” And she also knows that you cannot protect yourself from crazies, sicko’s and criminals; or rely on law enforcement to be where ever you need them, when you need them? And there is one thing that I know and that’s you do not disarm a law-abiding, gun licensed honest American citizen, because of crazies, sicko’s and criminals!
    But the Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Wednesday called for “More Gun Control”, Yes, Hillary wants to politicize the shooting in Virginia. She never lets a shooting stand in her way to campaign.
    Is Hillary that dishonest and gutless to recognize that we could reduce gun violence significantly by demanding that the thugs street gang and yes illegal immigrants who are responsible for most of these crime in this country be disarmed first?

    Or is that too radical a suggestion because it goes against the progressive socialist democrat culture of ignoring victims and treating perpetrators leniently as if they were “society’s victims?” Because it interferes with the progressive socialist democrat plan to create even more victims to be exploited for political purposes?

    How can we allow politicians like this to even be on the world stage?



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