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The best part of the whole debate was wnen Trump said "Only Rosie Odonell"
ReplyDeleteI almost peed in my pants!
I wouldn't go that far, TU. It was cute all right, and showed that Trump is good at making a quick comeback, I laughed just too, but I'd hardly call the exchange "consequential."
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ReplyDeleteI thought that the panal was there to Set Up Trump and to make him look bad. those jerks set up Trump with the very first question, because they already knew what his answer was going to be. Trump didn't get questions, he got attacked..
ReplyDeleteI was glad to see the way Tump slapped Paul down...
The thing that I admire about Trump is that he says what is on his mind, right wrong or indifferent, he doesn't give you any of that bible thumping crap...
Debonair Dude,
DeleteI thought that the panal was there to Set Up Trump and to make him look bad. those jerks set up Trump with the very first question, because they already knew what his answer was going to be.
I agree!
That particular question shouldn't have been asked first crack out of the barrel; clearly, doing so was an attempt to (1) fire up Trump so that he would implode and (2) marginalize Trump for the entire debate.
I would have had no problem with the question had it been asked at the end of the debate.
I agree, AOW, that Dr. Carson in his quiet, unassuming, way showed more intelligence, wit, dignity, and admirable self-control than anyone else on the stage last night. I also agree that Megyn Kelly's performance was rude, disrespectful and unnecessarily provocative. I thought it set exactly the WRONG tone for the entire evening, which went very well, in spite of FOX's apparent to derail serious commentary n the issues by forcing the candidates to engage in "personalities."
DeleteAll that aside there wasn't one candidate from either of the two debates who would not make a better president than the foolish, farcical fiend who now occupying the White House or the hideous harpy waiting in the wings to seize power with her talons, while her shrieking voice and toxic breath befoul the air as her fangs drip blood.
FT,
DeleteIt is my opinion that FNC is in the bag for Karl Rove.
If by "Karl Rove" you mean "The RINO Establishment," AOW, I couldn't agree more.
DeleteEVERYBODY in play –– L AND R –– has a pet agenda, I fear, and it's up to US, the American Public, to educate ourselves and our children enough to be able to appreciate SINCERITY and SEE THROUGH false, tendentious, rhetoric using sophistry, guile, and specious logic to gain advantage.
I don't care if it comes from "OUR" side or "THEIRS," dissembling in ANY form MUST be regarded as undesirable, even though it's been a time-honored practice since the earliest days of the republic.
Don't you think it's time we GREW UP, and STOPPED using false reasoning and shameless demagoguery to try to gain control of "Others?"
FT,
DeleteKarl Rove's "doctrine" is electability. He is not a man of political principles. Period.
I don't think I tried to deny that, AOW, but I DID try to make a larger point which I hope you didn't miss. The problem is no TRUMP or FOX or ROVE. It is OUR inability as a PEOPLE to see beyond the end of our own noses.
DeleteFT,
DeleteI understand your larger point -- and it is laudatory.
The problem now is that so many are incapable of anything but rants, uncivil discourse, etc. The Left unleashed that lion, and it is roaming at large now, ready to devour all regardless of political persuasion.
Can't put a genie back into the bottle!
You're right about that, AOW, but we CAN do what I'm trying to do every day, and that is stand up for what-we-believe-to-be-the Truth with a modicum of dignity and as much eloquence as we can muster –– to set as good an example as we can of writing with clarity and good humor –– to discourage acrimony, insolence, mindless repetition of dogmatic canned sentiments, and to be as open and friendly as possible to all without capitulating to wanton aggression.
DeleteIt may be a cliché, as well as a bit of an oxymoron, but it remains true nonetheless:
THE ONE THING WE CANNOT TOLERATE is INTOLERANCE.
By the way, AOW, karl Rove's judgment as to who is and is not "electable" has been proven wrong over and over and over again. Ergo, isn't it about time the RINO Establishment gave him the old Heave Ho –– unless, as I suspect more and more, they are heavily invested in LOSING in order to be rewarded by The Oligarchs?
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Deletewe CAN do what I'm trying to do every day, and that is stand up for what-we-believe-to-be-the Truth with a modicum of dignity and as much eloquence as we can muster
I don't disagree.
But the situation will get much worse before it gets better.
And we should also keep in mind that there is some truth to the adage "The squeaky wheel gets the oil."
As for Karl Rove, I will concede that he is some kind of oligarch.
Now, not all oligarchs are bad, nor are oligarchs always undesirable -- particularly if they have good principles. Karl Rove does not!
Of the oligarchs think they're going to "win" by losing, they are wrong. It's the end of the line for one group or the other: the oligarchs or the peasants.
BTW, Rove may not be an actual oligarch, but rather a member of the shadow government, which has a long history and not one limited to the United States.
DeleteExcept that Rove isn't in the shadows, is he? He's too much of a media who to do that -- unlike other previous members of the shadow government.
The moderators were embarrassing,it was so obviouse that they were bias against Trump
ReplyDeleteMagan Kelley and Chris Wallace were embarrassing.
They were all attacking trump with total low blows and set-up questions but we knew that they would do everything to sabotage Trump..Pathetic! . Bret Bair was the only honest one there.
That was the worst spectacle of bias and a hit job as I have ever seen by the Republicans yet, this was pathetic.
ReplyDeleteI thought that the moderators were shameful, this is how fox pulled the rabbit out of the hat, Megan Kelly , got what she deserved, I have watched Chris Wallace for years never thought of you being unfair, and the stupid irrelevant questions they asked Donald Trump was appalling, I hope he DOES go third party the republican party deserves it. Their tactic was to ignore the biggest threat and hope he either goes away, or says something that would destroy himself. Megyn Kelly and Chris Wallace were the losers.
And to top it off, who did Megan Kelly have as her last guest on her program following the debates? None other than that total idiot Debbie Wasserman Shultz the head of the DNC who praised her to high heaven for a job well done! Of course she would praise Megan! She could have worked for MSNBC the way she went after especially Trump! The question about who on the panel thinks God has sent them a message was down right snarky and uncalled for! Worst debate I've ever seen! Just downright distasteful and disgusting and shameful!.
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And on another note, in the news yesterday.. Chuckie Schumer said that he will vote against the Iran “Deal”...................I'll believe it when I see it. But If Schumer keeps his word to oppose the Obama sell-out, he will get my deepest apology.
And maybe even my vote.
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ReplyDeleteIf I had to say which one of the candidates in the second event did himself the most good, I'd choose Huckabee. I never much liked him before, so this is not "my bias in favor of Huckabee" making this statement.
Walker did himself some damage with his statement about abortion -- the statement that seemed to convey that he would never favor an abortion in order to save the mother's life.
Dr. Carson's last two statements were excellent -- his statement about race and his closing remarks.
I liked Mark Rubio before the debate started, and I think that he held his own. Maybe a no-harm-no-foul outcome for him.
Jeb Bush did too much pandering for votes.
Dr. Carson is the smartest, most likable person in the pack, AOW. Unfortunately, people fall for the Loudest Flashiest most Disingenuous Noisemakers all the time.
DeleteI didn't realize it till last night, but Ben Carson has genuine WIT. He's very low key, but only a fool would want to get on his wrong side.
BTW, in the first event, Carly Fiorina was the clear winner, IMO.
ReplyDeleteNo question about that. I spotted Fiorina as brilliant, incisive, attractive in a no nonsense sort of way, yet very good-natured weeks ago, and have been hoping she'd gain more traction. In fact I was astonished she did not get into the Prime Time Debate.
DeleteIf the RNC were SMART, which Alas! we know it is not, they'd make sure that Carson and Fiorina shared the ticket in the next election. Either could be at that top, I'd be pleased to see it either way. Having a black and woman –– both brilliant, attractive people of proven accomplishment –– would spike Hillary's guns for a fare thee well.
WHAT could she POSSIBLY say AGAINST either, and hope to maintain even the faintest sense of credibility? };-)>
FT,
DeleteTHIS is my one concern about Carly Fiorina:
...On the morning of September 11, I awoke to the news that the World Trade Center had been struck. Like many of you, I stood transfixed, staring at the images on television, horrified by the events unfolding before our eyes. And like many Americans, I felt a deep and extraordinary connection to the people in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and on those airplanes, to the companies decimated, to the families forever altered, to the parents, and fathers, and mothers, and children who are still hoping beyond hope that their family members will return.
And as a business leader, I experienced a whole other set of emotions - first and foremost concern for the safety of our employees and their families. Concern for the security of our employees who are of Middle Eastern descent or who practice the Muslim religion here in the US and abroad.
[...]
There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.
It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.
One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.
And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.
Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.
When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.
While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.
Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.
And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.
This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity....
She gave that speech on September 26, 2001. Have her views changed? Has she done any research regarding the whitewash of Islam -- namely, about the realities of the Golden Age of Islam?
Still, I'd pay good money to see Carly Fiorina debate Hillary Clinton.
DeleteThat's very interesting, AOW. It's certainly beautifully phrased. I give her full marks if she wrote it herself. I have to wonder about the context, however. She was not attempting to gain political office at the time, was she? I am certain that most well-educated, polished, civilized Christian people were doing their best to avoid the kind of violent persecution Mob Rule would bring to bear if primitive passions had been inflamed by demagogic leadership at the time of 911.
DeleteI. myself, felt illegalization of Islam as an aggressive, inherently seditious political entity plus confiscation of the mosques and mass deportation of all Muslims INCLUDING native-born Americans would have been the appropriate course of action at the time –– a radical position that made me the target of much abuse.
Ms. Fiorina probably sensed that sort of passion simmering just beneath the surface, felt it could lead to tragedy, and therefore did her best to quell it.
Even though I still feel much as i did then, I have to respect her for following the dictates of her conscience and expressing her thoughts with near-poetic eloquence. I don't believe she is a vain, shallow, ill-educated creature.
I understand your concern, however. We need to learn more.
I think that the Trump held his own. Carson looked at little weak – but had great closing statement. The winners were Cruz, Rubio, Huckabee, and Christie, ran a close 4th.
ReplyDeletePaul looked pretty bad and most likely buried himself.
But the real loser was Magan Kelly.
Tyrone,
DeleteBut the real loser was Magan [sic] Kelly.
Yes.
Yes. Normally I like Megyn Kelly. Last night, she disappointed me greatly.
DeleteI despise the use of cheap tricks to hog attention and gain ratings. She really lowered herself. Too bad, but I am pretty sure she had been given her "marching orders" from the Establishment Creeps who run the show behind the scenes.
At first I thought Trump would be a fluke that would have burnt himself out by now , but...now I'd say he has a very good chance of being the Republican nominee now. He handled that pile of crap Mei Gin Kel Lee and Kris Walrus who tried to force feed him quite well and they looked like real idiots because of it. And Trump knew how to answer in kind..
ReplyDeleteFox made it clear who they wanted to win that debate.
But I still think that Trump did well. Fox definitely tried to get rid of Trump but they didn't succeed. Trump is too good to fall into their trap. He constantly outwits the establishment, that's why I like him.
Like Trump said; It is very simple. You cannot have open borders if you expect to maintain any kind of law and order and to keep out illegals..
I'm betting his poll numbers go up. And that sums it up pretty accurately.
As far as the others in the debate, I thought that Christie's performance was a lot better than I expected.
Walker made me Yawn.
Kasich sounded reasonable, but only that and that wasn’t enough.
Jeb Bush who I never liked, didn’t impress me at all.
Carson, was cute but not at all impressive.
Paul got my vote for the Biggest Idiot. He looked and sounded much like his fruit-cake Father.
Megyn Kelly’s remark or question to Trump about Women was not only Stupid, but it made her look like a Liberal who was out to destroy him. She didn’t ask any outrageous questions like that to anyone else but him.
To democrats, Hillary’s flying around the world, and putting in a record amount of mileage is an accomplishment. Never mind that every country that she visited is in worse shape for it, except our enemies.
As far as that post by that typical Liberal Idiot “IMHO” It’s very clear that the author of that comment is a delusional, Kool aid drinking, Progressive IDIOT, who is scared in his or her pants of Mr. Trump, as most Liberals Loons are.. Trump will eat up Hillary Clinton and spit her out like the Vermin she is.
I agree with much of your statement DD, but disagree with your assessment of of Ben Carson as unimpressive and of Ron Paul as a "fruitcake." I'm disappointed in his son Rand, but feel very strongly that ANYONE on the stage last night with the possible exception of Jeb Bush would be FAR better able to lead this country out of the woods than the hideous alternative the D'Rats are most likely to provide.
DeleteOf all those on the stage during the second event. Dr. Carson was the man of most character, IMO.
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DeleteCarson is a dummy?
Please tell us how many successful brain surgeries you have performed?
Dr. Carson may not be the most politically savvy person in the world. But he is a patriot. Furthermore, most Americans are FED UP TO OUR EYETEETH with the politically savvy, the vast majority of whom are connivers and weasels.
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DeleteDucky, How many times do you have to be told we don't put up with gratuitous nastiness, rudeness and stupidity here?
DeleteBe respectful, or be gone.
Dr. Carson is the coolest dude in the race. A TRUE winner. Someone to admire, love, and FOLLOW.
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ReplyDeletePlease, all you bleeding heart Liberals, get your facts straight before commenting. You leftists will do and say anything to deny the invasion of the USA by these illegal Mexican invaders.
ReplyDeleteWhat gives with these assholes? All these liberals say that Mexico has universal health care. It has no death penalty. Marijuana, though technically illegal, is legal in practice and readily available in most parts of Mexico. Mexico has free public education (although, gasp, proof of Mexican citizenship is required to attend Mexican public schools!). In recent years Mexico's abortion laws have been liberalized substantially. Mexico has a mandatory social security system, so all Mexicans receive some kind of retirement pension. Great Tacos, Enchiladas and Quesadillas, they allow you to pee in the streets, so what's the problem?
So why are tens of thousands of these bad ass Mexicans leaving Mexico and entering the U.S. illegally every year? What gives here?
You could do with a bit of fact checking yourself. Contrary to popular opinion more Guatemalans, Hondurans and El Salvadorans have come to this country illegally, albeit they used Mexico as a passageway to get here. Apparently, Mexico is COMPLICIT in allowing this flow to occur unimpeded.
DeleteI guess thousands of employers here in America are complicit too.
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Jersey, try to wise up if only just a wee bit.
DeleteIt is not the EMPLOYED illegals who are bringing us grief, instead it is the vastly proliferating army of BUMS, LEECHES, CRIMINALS and DESPERADOES who have come here illegally SOLELY to take advantage of THE SYSTEM liberal-Democrats have so foolishly put in place and made available to any and every derelict element present on these our shores.
Don't you realize the these Welfare Entitlements act as a BEACON and a MAGNET to the most wretched, downtrodden, feckless, degenerate elements all over the globe?
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ReplyDeleteThey went after Trump personally. They didn't go after him on issues, but on personally. It was a really Bad way to run a "debate"
True enough, but fortunately there was a LOT more the event than that, and much of it was worth hearing. I found something to like and respect about ALL SEVENTEEN candidates, and there isn't one I would no infinitely prefer to Hillary Clinton whose appeal remains an unfathomable mystery to me.
DeleteWHAT does Her Heinous have that anyone in his right mind could possibly WANT?
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ReplyDeleteI didn't waste much time watching "the debate" which was more of an ambush by the host and hostess posing scenarios as questions.
ReplyDeleteBut Chuck Schumer is likely just practicing his summer schtick for New York cottage country. Could be that he'll become famous as the straight man for that up-and-comer, comedienne Amy Schumer.
It would have been a good idea to see all of both debates, Waylon. Each one of the potential candidates acquitted himself or herself admirably with the possible exception of Rand Paul who appeared sour and unduly combative and has been a BIG disappointment to me. I GREATLY admired Rand's father, who may appear eccentric, but who was the ONLY contender for the nomination who spoke the truth in the last round of debates before the 2008 election.
DeleteThe son? Not a bad guy, but he's totally lacking in charm, humor or persuasiveness. In other words he ain't got no charisma. ;-)
"Trump has a reputation for being brash and insulting. In the past, he's verbally attacked immigrants, women, the sitting president, Sen. John McCain and basically anyone who disagrees with him. His social media presence only serves to boost this image of political incorrectness.
ReplyDeleteThe question now is... Do the voters want him to be the voice of America to the rest of the world?"
Only that segment of the voting population that revels in seeing buffoons insulting other buffoons. Thankfully, that's a small, small voting segment. It cannot elect someone as repulsive as Donald Trump, no matter what delirious fantasies bounce around inside their vapid skulls
Tallulah Tabascowitz said
DeleteThere is no one on the planet more repulsive than Hellary Rotten Clinton. She is like Medusa, Caligula, Dracula and Godzilla all rolled into one.
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ReplyDeleteWe welcome Conversation
ReplyDeleteBut without Vituperation.
If your aim is Vilification ––
Other forms of Denigration ––
Unfounded Accusation --
Determined Obfuscation ––
Alienation with Self-Justification ––
We WILL use COMMENT ERADICATION.
We also reject and delete remarks that smack of IDIOCY.
Fiorina and Kasich definitely won the debates on substance and clear direction.
ReplyDeleteTrump... The skunk in the room.
Interesting you should choose John Kasich. Not many would agree. He's a pretty good guy. Been around a long time. Accomplished good things for Ohio. Certainly held his own Thursday evening, but he's too liberal for me. The last thing we need in the White House is a MODERATE.
DeleteI'm hoping for a RADICAL CONSERVATIVE to take over the reins and become at least as aggressive in UNDOING the mess we're in as Obama and the D'Rats have been in perpetrating it.
It was a weird day The first GOP "debate" (that was not a debate), and Jon Stewart's last show. Wow, I forgot just how many comedy stars came out of that show.
ReplyDeleteThe "debate" was more like the Q&A part of a high school beauty contest moderated by other high school kids. Did you call Tina a slut? No! Just that she's flirtatious, that's all.
Luntz said Fiorina, Cruz, and Huckabee were the big winners from yesterday. As a liberal, watching this, not too much surprised me, but perhaps Kasich talking about homosexuality was interesting, Rubio talking about immigration, Walker talking about law enforcement, a few things.
Overall it was very vanilla. FOX managed this carefully to avoid hurting anyone except Trump, and I think they only helped him by doing so.
JMJ
JMJ,
DeleteFOX managed this carefully to avoid hurting anyone except Trump, and I think they only helped him by doing so.
I'm not sure about FNC's trying not to hurt the others. However, I agree that the way things played out last night might well have helped Trump. We shall see.
Well, Paul took some heat as I recall. The abortion questions surprised me. I think that's why a lot of people on the right are mad at Kelly at the moment. Ironically, that only helped Trump too! The guy can't lose for other people losing either. Amazing. The GOP race this year is the most surreal thing I've seen since I took mescaline when I was a kid.
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Obama is a lying sack of gas, and about as tough as a cheese souffle. People who are rational thinkers have figured his schtick out, and we're laughing at the buffoon.
ReplyDeleteHe may be a liar, but frankly I think he's tougher than shoe leather. If he weren't, how else could he withstand the constant withering blasts of insults and derogation that come his way like a TIDAL WAVE each and every day?
DeleteALSO, he's VERY Strong-Minded about implementing his destructive agenda. He's managed very successfully to wave aside all opposition (not that he's had much from those in power) to his hideous Marxian ambitions.
His intentions may be hateful and destructive, but we cannot say he's been WEAK in doing what HE wants to do. In that regard his strength is almost MONSTROUS.
It has been the REPUBLICANS who've been consistently weak, they've become great experts at Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory at every available opportunity, which is why I no longer support them.
The stupid, often traitorous RINOS as as big a part of The Problem as any Marxicrat.
And what do we do when someone like Ted Cruz is brave enough to call them on it?
We vilify TED CRUZ.
What I like about Trump. Is that he says what
ReplyDeletemuch of America is thinking, and frankly much of America is tired of the politics of the past 15 years. Donald Trump gets that and has tapped into the anger and the darkest fears of the American people. For this reason and this reason alone he is riding at the top of opinion polls. Yet he has the temperament to insult entire cultures, women, foreign leaders, and get along very well with Vladimir Putin. And that's what I like , Love) about Trump.
What the heck are all these deleted comments?
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DeleteYou wouldn't want to know, Jersey. That's why I deleted them. ;-)
DeleteI'm doing my best to keep this a friendly, decent sort of place inhospitable to mean-spirited displays of pointless hostility, dirty language, and thoughtless, partisan BOILERPLATE of all kinds.
In other words I'm trying to change the generally hostile, witless, cliché-ridden tone of the blogosphere, and encourage us to write to each other in ENGLISH once again before we lose the ability altogether.
Thanks for cooperating with me, Jersey.
Waddayoo care, ya f'n boob!
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ReplyDeleteI must agree with this (by Roger Simon):
ReplyDelete...[T]he candidate who really had the hard time was the man who is second in the polls, Jeb Bush.
He wasn’t terrible, but he wasn’t very good. He looked like a person who had wandered into a race he wasn’t really interested in.
Carly Fiorina, who has very little chance to be nominated, had shown more fire than Jeb in a separate debate earlier in the evening.
Jeb was supposed to be “the smart one” in his family. And maybe he is.
Maybe he has seen up close what the job does to you and he doesn’t want any part of it.
Carson scores big!
ReplyDelete???
This statement resonates well with me:
Delete"Dr. Ben Carson had a wonderful evening. He was articulate and, at times, funny. Carson stayed out of the verbal jabbing that cost Christie and Paul some points this evening."
I'm delighted to learn that at least ONE source concurs with the opinion I formed last night.
IF Dr. Carson could be elected president, and Ms. Fiorina vice president, it could very likely give our country the shot in the arm she so desperately needs and move us decidedly into a new era of renewed strength, vigor, productivity and elevated status in the world once again.
That said it may be all but impossible to halt the hurtling downward slide of a metaphorical snowball gathering size and momentum as gravity dominates its course.
I doubt if there's much hope left for us, but if our present course is ever to be reversed, the one thing we must not give up is hope.
Carson is all over the place on the issues. I don't know why you guys like this guy. I think you'd be unpleasantly surprised by a Carson presidency. He'd turn left fast. Fiorina is a Republican technocrat businesswoman who is also a little insane, so her I can see you guys liking.
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Dr. Carson is a rara avis, Jersey. A true individual who's proven himself worthy –– a person with great accomplishments to his credit that prove him superior beyond any shadow of a doubt.
DeleteYou might be surprised at how very liberal I am on many issues. Thinking People, one of whom I like to believe I am, work hard to render themselves immune to GroupThink of any kind, rarely allow themselves to be pigeon-holed or taken for granted by any particular faction, and try always to avoid the legalistic approach, and come down on the side of Mercy, Self-Discipline, Common Sense and what-used-to-be-known-as Good Taste whenever possible.
"Superior." He's a slow talking, slow thinking moron. I am not the least bit impressed by Dr. Carson save for only his apparently high skill at neurosurgery. He says dumb, simpleminded things all the time. He seems to exist only in himself, relying on personal experience for all wisdom. So, you can pretend to be all high-minded supporting that stupid simpleton, but you're not fooling me.
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That's an inadequate response, Jersey, and completely untruthful. I'll let stand, however, but it certainly does you no credit.
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DeleteDeleting me now??? Really???
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Fiorina inane? LMAO! She was clear, concise, accurate, and refreshing. All things Hillary is not.
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DeleteTyrone SlothropAugust 8, 2015 at 4:10 AM
ReplyDeleteIsn't it funny how the Scum-bags on the left HATED Megyn Kelly before the debate and now that she acted like a Liberal Scumbag they all seem to love her!
I guess that All Of A Sudden Fox or Foux Nooze isn't so bad after all
A valid observation, if true, but try to remember that most peoples' loyalties are abut as stable as mercury. And PLEASE do your best to avoid the habitual use of terms like "scum bag," "libtard," "idiot," etc. It degrades the overall quality of the comment, detracts from whatever point you want to make, gives "The Enemy" ammunition to throw back at "us," and generally befouls the atmosphere.
DeleteWhy DIDN’T Megyn Kelley ask “The Donald” any of these issues of the day questions? Rather than make a Monkey out of herself?
ReplyDeleteWhy didn’t she ask about:
On National Security issues’s: (Iran, Isis, Islam, Israel, Russia, China, Benghazi, Hillary Clinton”s e-mail, our Military)
U.S. Economy (Jobs, Tax Reform, Flat Tax, Offshoring, Keystone Pipeline, Trade Policy)
On Immigration (Labor, Unions, Assimilation, Voter Fraud, Sanctuary Cities)
On Entitlements (Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, Social Programs)
On Education (Common Core, Vouchers)
On Healthcare (Obamacare failures, costs, lack of real competition, VA Hospital)
And how about the failure and corruption of the political class (President, Congress)
Public Employee Unions (one-sided politics, unfunded liabilities, fraud)
Or on Woman's issues, Abortion, Planned Parenthood, War on Women)
On Civil Liberties (Racial Politics, Social Justice)
On Gun control, violence in the inner cities, demonization of police in our big cities such as New York, and Baltimore, and Ferguson!
How about on Drugs
And especially on Foreign Policy
Media Bias (False narratives, Ferguson, lack of coverage on liberal issues)
Or on Repealing Obama’s Executive Orders
Hillary Clinton many, many, scandals such as Benghazi, Email, Clinton Foundation for example.
The back room money deals of ODumbo and Hillary and Reid, Holder and the rest of the Whores in Washington.
Or on Voter Fraud, and on Photo-ID
The influence of the so-called Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson
And about the Divisiveness, that is going on in American.
NOT about Calling women names! Or on his Bankruptcies, it was obvious that she had an agenda and she didn’t hide it well.. What a disappointment she turned out to be.
Good question! Why don't you write to Megyn and ask HER, yourself? I have some ideas of my own, namely that I believe she was given "marching orders" by Command and Control at FOX, who've made it quite plain they dislike Trump's entry into the race, but I don't KNOW that for a fact.
DeleteI wonder if she'd be able to give you a straight answer if you could get to her?
All of us are called upon from time to time to do things we don't particularly like or believe in in order to keep our jobs.
I didn't like some of the questions she asked either, but that doesn't mean I feel se is now an "enemy."
What did you think of the divisive, provocative question asked by Bret Baer first crack out of the barrel?
So Donnie's performance at the Q&A and post-Q&A didn't hurt him as some predicted. He's still beloved by the TGOP. Look at how quickly the Megyn Kelly lovers went after her and threw their support to the misogynist. (But who's surprised by the nativist old white males in the TGOP base who, when given the choice between supporting a beautiful blonde vs. a loud-mouth bully, will always choose the bully?). Megyn Kelly is now seen as a traitor who, along with FAUX NOOZ, is trying to destroy the TGOP's hero, Donald "Megyn had blood coming out from wherever" Trump.
ReplyDeleteI may actually run out of popcorn.
A typically snide, shallow, pretentious LEFTIST attempt to gain advantage using smear tactics. "Lying with Facts" is unfortunately what political discourse has become.
DeleteHow few have any appetite –– let alone energy -- to dig behind and beneath these tendentious displays of selected, overemphasized, often hideously distorted "facts" to find the TRUTH?
Why is virtually EVERYBODY –– on both the Left AND the Right –– so afraid of the TRUTH?
Megan Kelly won the debate. Trump it through; she kicked his head in. His intemperate comments about Kelly just got him kicked out of the Red State event.
ReplyDeleteOf course, the Fox reporters were laying for him. Being a smart businessman she should have known that and adjusted.
I know some people enjoy Trump trashing everyone and everything, but rude bombast and personal insult do not pave the way to the White House.
Megan Kelly is a bigger star than any of those candidates, and that was really what it was all about FOX building its brand and burnishing the reputation of its next O'Reilley.
An interesting, plausible perspective, Silver. Whether or not you are correct remains to be seen. We shall see what we shall see, won't we?
DeletePersonally, I sense a growing appetite –– almost a bloodlust –– for vengeance against real or imagined D'Rat Oppression through increased vigilantism.
Meanwhile, please try tell us what POSITIVE things, if any, you gleaned from the two debates?
Was there anyone you particularly LIKED or ADMIRED?
Was there a point made or a point of view expressed that you feel you could wholeheartedly ENDORSE?
Or do you believe it was nothing but a vain show –– an exercise in futility?
By the way, I dislike intensely the idea –– admittedly floated by FOX and other members of the enemedia –– that anyone in articular could be declared the "WINNER" of events such as these. The very concept is nonsensical.
DeleteWe should be able to to say such things as, "So and So distinguished herself among the large company of highly qualified individuals by saying "such and such," - OR - "So and So won admiration for his quiet reserve and show of wry good humor when attacked by Such and Such, even though in my opinion he was clearly in the wrong," etc.
Our persistent use of simplistic, highly-charged, hyperbolic rhetoric may be in vogue, but it robs us of the possibility of even discerning let alone and intelligently discussing the subtle nuances that point the way toward clarification of the true meaning of whatever issue has been raised.
Telegrammatic News Speak is not only a lazy, cliché--ridden form of communication devoid of subtlety, it makes discourse rude, abrupt, and tedious beyond description while doing a tremendous disservice to the TRUTH.
SF,
Deleterude bombast and personal insult do not pave the way to the White House.
I'm not so sure about that in this "brave new world."
FreeThinke: John Kasich.
DeleteAOW: I still can't see anyone building a successful national campaign like that.
The Clintons were the gold standard. The unleashed the mudball-throwing monkeys and stood above it all, smiling and schmoozing, lamenting how sleazy politics had become.
No candidate gets very far doing his own dirty work and being his own attack dog.
A slim majority on this morning's McLaughlin Group concur with you, Silver. I was surprised. I certainly don' dislike Kasich, but I can't imagine him outpacing her Heinous either. He's a good, intelligent man wit a long track record, but he's too much of a compromiser, and he has a high-pitched, whiny rather thin voice.
Deletewe need either a HELDENTENOR or a BASSO PROFUNDO capable of singing WOTAN to stand up to the shrill, grating rasp emitted by THE WICKED WITCH of the WEST.
Mr. FT after reading this latest attack by the Trumpster on Megyn Kelly, I'm beginning to suspect the theory that Donnie may be trolling the entire GOP and its followers. It's difficult to believe this isn't anything but a way to drive women, Latino/Hispanics or any other voter with a brain away from the TGOP!
ReplyDelete"Trump Says Female Moderator Who Confronted Him About Sexism Was On Her Period"
I think it's imperative that we learn to look at these things as the examples of wry, tongue-in-cheek humor they obviously are.
DeleteLife without wit, humor, style or tolerance of differences in culture and between the sexes, who are anything-but "equal," is life that quickly becomes "weary, stale, flat and unprofitable," to quote the Bard.
Shakespeare also said, but please don't ask me where,
"There's NOTHING EITHER GOOD or BAD but THINKING MAKES IT SO."
That's become something of a motto with me. As a result I strive always to put the best, and most favorable interpretation possible on what others have to say, unless I know for an absolute fact their motives are disingenuous or downright evil.
Failure to give others the benefit of the doubt, when doubt is possible, is reprehensible and destructive to the best interests of society. We have gone so far in the opposite direction we are in danger of shredding the very fabric that holds society together and makes Civilization possible.
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ReplyDeleteRe: Your take on CARSON who is typically a snide, shallow, pretentious RIGHT WING attempt to gain advantage using smear tactics. "Lying with Facts" is unfortunately what political discourse has become.
ReplyDeleteHow few have any appetite –– let alone energy -- to dig behind and beneath CARSON'S tendentious displays of selected, overemphasized, often hideously distorted "facts" to find the TRUTH?
Thankfully, Carson will NEVER be president.
You haven't said anything, Kenny. If I followed my own rules, I'd delete your remark, but since you resorted only to mockery and didn't use filthy language, I'd like to give you the chance to return and try to state your REASONS for holding such an ill opinion of Dr. Carson. Perhaps you know him more intimately than those of us who think differently?
DeleteI find it strange hat no one save our Canadian friend Waylon chose to comment on Chuck Schumer's remarkable reversal in rejecting the Obama-Kerry "arrangement" with Iran.
ReplyDeleteThat COULD be the beginning of a REJECTION and REPUDIATION of OBAMA from within the ranks of his own party.
Now wouldn't THAT be loverly?
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ReplyDeleteamerican4americansAugust 8, 2015 at 8:16:00 AM EDT
Does the BS from the media never end? I guess that the truth does hurt.
Lets get a few things straight:
Donald Trump did not steal your money.
Donald Trump did not raise your taxes.
Instead of him calling him names, making fun of his Hair and trying to be funny, how about trying to deny anything that he has said?
There are things that should not have been asked at the debate, and there are things that should have been asked, and discussed at Leftist blogs.
Try this: Ask the same questions that you would ask any other candidate, Liberal or Conservative, and stop making personal attacks on a candidate because you want to hound him out of the race.
Donald Trump did not quadruple the price of food since 2008.
Trump is not stirring a race war.
Trump did not leave any US soldiers in Benghazzi to be slaughtered and desecrated by Muslims.
Trump did not send the US Navy to fight for Syrian Al-Qaeda.
Trump did not arm ISIS and systematically exterminate Christians throughout the Middle East.
Trump did not betray Israel.
Trump did not provide financing and technology to aid Iran's nuclear weapons program.
Trump did not give our military secrets to China.
Trump did not remove our nuclear missile shield in Poland at the behest of Russia.
Trump did not shrivel our military, and betray our veterans.
Trump did not cripple our economy.
Trump did not increase our debt to 20-TRILLION dollars.
Trump did not ruin our credit, twice.
Trump did not double African-American unemployment.
Trump did not increase welfare to record levels for eight years.
Trump did not sign a law making it legal to execute, and imprison Americans.
Trump did not seek to free terrorists in Guantanamo Bay.
Trump did not steal your rights, violate US Constitutional law, or commit treason.
Yet, Donald Trump is being ripped apart in the news non-stop, while Barrack Hussein Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton and the rest of the scoundrels occupying our government, are not being held accountable for their wrongdoing.
The media is in league with the Democratic Party.
Oh, and as far as HILLARY goes, how about trying to deny ANY of the things for which SHE under investigation, and the many other things she's done that OUGHT to be investigated?
You can say whatever you want about Donald Trump. I don’t have to defend him, he does a pretty good job of that, himself, BUT, Trump is a more HONEST person than Hillary has EVER been or will ever be. Was he ever caught saying any LIES? Made up stories, “Misspoke?" NO, Trump tells it the way he honestly believes it is.
Furthermore, he has said NOTHING derogatory about MEXICANS. He has said what American citizens KNOW, namely that his country in order to survive HAS to close its borders to ILLEGAL Immigration.
Donald Trump gets it. Political Correctness is not even in his vocabulary.
Trump has told the truth, that's all, and a lot of people can’t handle it.
Save your culture. Stop listening to the media.
GOOD POST! You made excellent points contrasting Donald Trump with the Government's ever-burgening tyrannical policies hostile to the average person's chances of accumulating personal wealth and autonomy.
DeleteFrankly, I like what you said in this post even better than your remarks posted here earlier (above). I hope you don't mind my having copied and edited your statement then pasted it here? I think it bears repetition and a great deal of study. Frankly, I hope it "goes viral."
Bravo!
DeleteTrump's candicy will result in a HILLARY presidency. Should he jump ship for a 3'rd party outing he clinches it fo HILLARY for sure.
DeleteI feel as you do, Snorty, about the Third party, but the candidate most likely to ensure a big win for her heinous would be JEB BUSH.
DeleteWHY?
Because most Republicans with any semblance of a brain or a spine will be too disgusted to bother voting on election day.
Re: CARSON: "I think he made more sense when he was talking about the Muslims paying a lab worker big money for a beaker of an Ebola patient's urine so it could be weaponized."
ReplyDeleteIt won't be long before he wraps his fevered fears all into one: Mr. Obama turning America into a Worse-Than-Slavery-Nazi/Commie-Anti-Semitic-Illegal-US-Citizen-Death-Ebola nation.
Well hasn't he ready done that? I think he had!
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ReplyDeleteFT,
ReplyDeleteAlong the lines of the Oligarchy of which you so often opine:
RUPERT MURDOCH TWEETS "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" TO MEGYN KELLY
JEB, Murdoch and VALERIE JARRETT at the same table happy in each other's company?
DeleteThanks for the clear and convincing affirmation of what I've known "in my bones" for YEARS, AOW.
The Oligarchs are REAL –– and it is THEY –– not we the people of the United States of America who are firmly in control.
FT,
DeleteJEB, Murdoch and VALERIE JARRETT at the same table happy in each other's company?
I knew that you wouldn't be surprised.
I wasn't, either, though I don't completely subscribe to the theory about Oligarchs.
AOW,
DeleteIf you –– or anyone else –– could provide a rational alternative to the Oligarch Theory, I'd be happy to examine it.
've always gone by the famous Duck Test.
If it looks, feels, smells quacks, waddles, swims, flies and tastes like a duck, what the hell ELSE could it possibly be –– a ROBOTIC MODEL of DUCK?
FT,
DeleteAnd Occam's Razor.
Boycott RedState!
ReplyDeleteI’m still enthusiastic about Trump, and maybe even more than before, just because he is saying the things that rage me every time I watch any news cast or read various blogs.
ReplyDeleteAnd personally, I don’t give a Rat’s Ass about Erick Erickson or his “Red State” whatever! I’m OK with Donald Trump, and whatever he said about that Hit Women Megyn Kelly. Personally I think that she deserves everything that Trump throws at her. The should have known better when they hired her to do their dirty work. I DON’T have any respect for two faced double-dealing frauds, or conservatives turning on each other..
We, as a nation, are being sold down the river and all the peripheral bullshit aside, Mr. Trump is saying what most of us Americans are thinking.. And Trump can take the low road if and when he has to..Lets not forget that there is more than one way to skin that proverbial cat. And that there's life in the old dog..
The Conservative movement will continue with or without the RINO'S...............As for any chance of the Decorates winning with Hillary, well if they do continue with he Status Quo them it’s a certain that guarantees this country is going to be (for a better word) “screwed”.
All these libertards seem to be awfully afraid of Trump.
ReplyDeleteThat's all the progressive have been blogging about for weeks.They even put Slavery on the back burner. They buy into all of Obama's lies and they criticize someone else like Donald Trump when he’s telling the truth.
They have no credibility!.
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ReplyDeleteSorry, Yenta, but this thread is about last Thursday night's two DEBATES and what their ramifications might be.
DeleteSave ypur comment for an article on police behavior v. the black community if it comes.
Thanks.
From the Trump campaign (again, nothing of substance on policy issues, just more back and forth on ad hominem attacks and personal insults -- that's all Trump is about, and the Tea-Pee-ers lap it up).
ReplyDelete"Mr. Trump made Megyn Kelly look really bad — she was a mess with her anger and totally caught off guard. Mr. Trump said “blood was coming out of her eyes and whatever” meaning nose, but wanted to move on to more important topics. Only a deviant would think anything else. This related to the debate, which because of Mr. Trump had 24 million viewers — the biggest in cable news history. According to TIME, Newsmax, Drudge Report, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Hill and many others, Mr. Trump won the debate.
By the way, the guy (Erick Erickson) who made the decision about RedState called Supreme Court Justice David Souter a “goat [expletive] child molester” and First Lady Michelle Obama a “Marxist Harpy.” He was forced to make a humbling apology.
Also, not only is Erick a total loser, he has a history of supporting establishment losers in failed campaigns so it is an honor to be uninvited from his event. Mr. Trump is an outsider and does not fit his agenda.
Many of the 900 people that wanted to hear Mr. Trump speak tonight have been calling and emailing—they are very angry at Erickson and the others that are trying to be so politically correct. To them Mr. Trump says, “We will catch you at another time soon.”
If the Democrats wanted to make the TGOP look like a disorganized in-fighting version of the Jerry Springer show, they couldn't have come up with a better person to lead them. It's The Donald, all the way down
I guess the Tea Party finally has someone "who will and can do what they have been wanted done for many years now."
The TP thinks Trump is not a typical lying politician. Heh. But fact checkers have found his statements Mostly False, False, and Pants On Fire Liar. But the dunderheads who support him aren't concerned with pesky facts like that. And besides in their minds, all fact checking sites are run by Communist Libtards, especially sites that back up their findings with facts.
And in their simple minds, we Democrats "are on the defensive" calling Trump names!
These are the A-Holes that support Trump.
I'll repeat this, because it applies here, and bears repetition anyway:
DeleteI dislike intensely the idea –– admittedly floated by FOX and other members of the enemedia –– that anyone in articular could be declared the "WINNER" of events such as these. The very concept is nonsensical.
We should be able to to say such things as, "So and So distinguished herself among the large company of highly qualified individuals by saying "such and such," - OR - "So and So won admiration for his quiet reserve and show of wry good humor when attacked by Such and Such, even though in my opinion he was clearly in the wrong," etc.
Our persistent use of simplistic, highly-charged, hyperbolic rhetoric may be in vogue, but it robs us of the possibility of even discerning let alone intelligently discussing the subtle nuances that point the way toward clarification of the true meaning of whatever issue has been raised.
Telegrammatic News Speak is not only a lazy, cliché--ridden form of communication devoid of subtlety, it makes discourse rude, abrupt, and tedious beyond description while doing a tremendous disservice to the TRUTH.
MORE SAGE ADVICE from ABOVE for the TRUMPEATER:
DeleteI think it's imperative that we learn to look at the sort of performance put on by Donald Trump as an examples of the wry, tongue-in-cheek-yet bawdy humor they obviously are.
Life without wit, humor, style or tolerance of differences in culture and between the sexes, who are anything-but "equal," is life that quickly becomes "weary, stale, flat and unprofitable," to quote the Bard.
Shakespeare also said, but please don't ask me where,
"There's NOTHING EITHER GOOD or BAD but THINKING MAKES IT SO."
That's become something of a motto with me. As a result I strive always to put the best, and most favorable interpretation possible on what others have to say, unless I know for an absolute fact their motives are disingenuous or downright evil.
Failure to give others the benefit of the doubt, when doubt is possible, is reprehensible and destructive to the best interests of society. We have gone so far in the opposite direction we are in danger of shredding the very fabric that holds society together and makes Civilization possible.
We must stand up for CIVILITY at all times, and stop the disgusting practice of deliberately conflating "facts" with the TRUTH.
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DeleteI totally agree with you, The Trump Eater but it is fun watching them devour each other, imho. I should have bought stock in popcorn futures.
ReplyDeleteIt sounds as though you'd greatly a favor a return to the days of the Circus Maximus at the Colosseum, could that be right?
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ReplyDeleteTrump's attitudes toward women are vile to put it mildly, his comments about Megyn Kelly after the debate were out of line. Still, there's a certain irony in all this. Faux Snooze created this Frankenstein monster by giving him plenty of free publicity, only for the monster to turn on one of its journalists. I hope Other news stations will see him for what he is also and refuse to cover him.
ReplyDeleteEven though I despise Trump. I have difficulty feeling anything for her. She has slept with those cretins on Faux Nooze
ReplyDeleteShe has choices and chose to be one of them and their propaganda.
You Resp what you sow.can't take the heat get out.
And good riddance .
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
ReplyDelete- .Our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus, the Son of God
I have very little sympathy for Kelly or anyone else who works for Fox because of the lack of integrity and willingness to lie that is a requirement for that network's employment. However, his comments were, as usual, repugnant and have no place in public discourse.
ReplyDeleteIt infuriates me when people praise Trump for being 'politically incorrect' and telling it like it is. He's NOT politically incorrect - he's an offensive, abusive, misogynistic, racist, narcissistic, malevolent bully who thinks he can do or say whatever he wants. If he cannot handle a simple question on a Fox debate stage without losing control, how is he supposed to deal with antagonistic foreign leaders who are not going to be intimidated by his hostile personality? How is he supposed to deal with the negotiations necessary to get any legislation through Congress? Threats and intimidation don't work in that level of government and you can't just file for another bankruptcy if you destroy the national economy.
As embarrassing as the rest of the GOP field may be, I am most ashamed that the rest of the world sees that Donald Trump is actually considered a viable candidate for President of the United States.
You do appear always to be on the prowl for any sort of distasteful, denigratory evidence that might be used to smear, defame or mischaracterize anyone with whose opinions or personality you disagree.
DeleteWho are people most afraid of? Nuts. Like Trump. I have no problem thinking the rest of the world full of Iran Ayotollahs and other cretins take major pause when they tell America to GF*.
ReplyDeleteMisogynistic? He wasn't talking about women, he was talking about Rosie Odonnel, a lesbian communist pig slob.
What do you think og oBAMa calling Sarach Palin a Pig with Lipstick? How does that compare do you think? how abotu oBAMa giving mcLame and everyone on the right the finger on Natl TV ? ANd how no one complained about any of that? Let's hear it mr eater.
Then be specific and tell us how he is
-offensive. to who?
abusive. to who?
racist. to who?
narcissistic. to who and how?
bully. yea maybe. Bigger bully than obama?
The rest of the GOP field has some great people. Cruz, Walker, Fiorina, Rubio, Jindal. Calmly extoling the virtues of Conservatism.
Take your totally non-factual, libtard views and jam on down the road eh?
and.. well you know.
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