Sunday, January 25, 2015

If this item doesn’t scare the hell out of you, believe me it should. I bitterly detest Rock ‘n Roll, Hip Hop and Gangstah Rap, et al., but I would “defend to the death” the right of any rapper to perform whatever he wants –– as long as I am not forced to listen to to it. - FT
Rapper Tiny Doo facing long prison sentence over lyrics [NOTE: He's an American]

By Emma Lacey-Bordeaux, CNN

January 23, 2015


Gangstah Rapper Tiny Doo (Brandon Duncan)

'I feel like they're trying to eradicate black men'

He is being charged under a little-known state statute
Prosecutors point to his album as proof of gang involvement

(CNN) Song lyrics that glorify violence are hardly uncommon. But a prosecutor in California says one rapper's violent lyrics go beyond creative license to conspiracy.
San Diego-based rapper Tiny Doo has already spent eight months in prison, and faces 25 years to life in prison if convicted under a little-known California statute that makes it illegal to benefit from gang activities.
The statute in question is California Penal Code 182.5. The code makes it a felony for anyone to participate in a criminal street gang, have knowledge that a street gang has engaged in criminal activity, or benefit from that activity.
It's that last part -- benefiting from criminal activity -- that prosecutors are going after the rapper for.
Tiny Doo, whose real name is Brandon Duncan, faces nine counts of criminal street gang conspiracy because prosecutors allege he and 14 other alleged gang members increased their stature and respect following a rash of shootings in the city in 2013.
Prosecutors point to Tiny Doo's album, "No Safety," and to lyrics like "Ain't no safety on this pistol I'm holding" as examples of a "direct correlation to what the gang has been doing."
No one suggests the rapper ever actually pulled a trigger.
In fact, Duncan may rap about violence but he's got no criminal record.
Duncan told CNN's Don Lemon he's just "painting a picture of urban street life" with his lyrics.
"The studio is my canvas. I'm just painting a picture," he said. "I'm not telling anybody to go out and kill somebody."
He denied any involvement with any gang but said the prosecution has him concerned about future creative expression.
"I would love to continue to rap," he said. "But these people have you scared to do anything around here."
Prosecutors say lyrics aren't the only evidence they have. At Duncan's preliminary hearing, they presented social media posts that they say prove Duncan is still a gang member.
CNN Legal Analyst Mark Geragos says the district attorney may be trying to send a message "that you shouldn't glorify or glamorize gang activity."
"The problem is you're going to run straight head-on into the First Amendment," he said. "If they don't have anything other than the album, this case I don't think would ever stand up."
If crap has no right to exist, we may not either pretty soon.


  1. Welcome to Amerika.

    And long live rock and roll and hip hop. Hopefully gangsta rap dies of natural causes.

    1. May ALL of these degenerate cultural manifestations die a natural death -- and SOON. I've been waiting for FIFTY-FIVE YEARS for Rock 'n Roll and all it's depressing, dispiriting, hideously destructive variants to wear themselves out, and go the way of the Charleston. Unfortunately, the spawn of this deadly perversion of musical values only gets louder, nastier and more deeply offensive with each generation.

      If you like it, I feel sorry for you.I hasten to add, however, that that doesn't mean I look down on you. If a friend becomes mentally or physically ill, a decent person hardly regards him with contempt. He stands by, does what he can to help, and earnestly prays for healing to take place.

      More than any other influence the Rock Revolution of the 1950's has blighted and changed the course of our cultural evolution toward self-destruction. It is the very essence of the HORROR that was the SICK-sties. Nothing has been right with us since this depraved, neo-primitive influence took over the popular culture nearly sixty years ago.

      If the PEN is mightier than the sword, then ROCK 'n ROLL is the moral equivalent of the ATOMIC BOMB.

      HOWEVER, as a libertarian, I still insist on it's right to exist -- but not in MY house, and I hope not in MY hearing.

    2. I neglected to mention I was trained in classical, switched to jazz at 20.

      I still enjoy classical although I no longer play.

  2. Tiny Doo lands in deep doo doo... aka, the American Just-Is system.

    1. The poor fellow IS "doo doo," but that doesn't mean he should be deprived of his freedom just because he stinks on ice.

      Like ALL victims of the Mass Hypnosis perpetrated by the Moguls in the News and Entertainment Racket, and the Movers and Shakers in the Pop Music Industry his mind was poisoned from birth by disgusting, degenerate influences that warped his character. The poor fellow never had a chance.

      If you've been weaned at some Pervert's Anus, and deprived of Mother's milk and TLC, you will grow up loving the smell, taste feel and texture of ESS-AITCH-EYE-TEA because that will be ALL you have ever known.

      Besides, even excrement has a legitimate function. Properly applied it fertilizes the fields. As waste matter, at the very least it keeps the workers in Sewage Treatment Facilities gainfully employed.

      Other than that. PHEW!

    2. If America doesn't like his message, I agree, they should stop buying his records, NOT put him in jail.

      "Liberal" Tolerance today means having the right to never be offended.

    3. Yes, Thersites, of course.

      At any rate, MY idea of tolerance is reserving MY right and YOURS to BE offended and to EXPRESS and PUBLISH my VIEWS, whether anyone wants to read them or not.

      I have as much right to be offended and to express my displeasure, distaste and disapproval as any god-damned designated victim group.

      That means I don't give a rat's rump if anyone hates me or not.

      Luckily, I know who I am. Nothing any bigoted, ill-natured, feather-brained, would-be antagonist could say would damage my amour propre. I got over being fragile decades ago, thank God.

  3. I would remind everyone of the caption under the picture at the bottom of the article:

    If CRAP has no right to exist, WE may not EITHER pretty soon.

  4. Do you disagree with the law that makes it illegal to benefit from gang activity, or how they enforced it in this case?

    1. Are you addressing ME or Mr. Pee Pee up there? ;-)

      Had you not answered him, I would have eradicated his stupid remark.

    2. At any rate, of COURSE I disagree with any such law. We have too god-damned MANY laws as it is -- most of them unenforced and unenforcible.

      Congress could outlaw the existence of CANCER if it wants to, but that doesn't mean Cancer will suffer from the moronic machinations of delusive legislators who want to play God.

      The LAW is an ASS.

    3. FreeThinke:

      It was addressed to you. I don't waste my time on slobbering left nuts with 'Pee' in their name.

      A distinction I see in this case is whether he has committed the gang activity in question.

      Busting someone for rapping about gang violence clearly violates the First Amendment.

      This case, as I see it, is about someone participating in a big gang activity (which is against the law) to enhance their statue and sell more crappy un-melodic chants (Which the California law declares illegal).

      So, for them to make their case, they have to prove he participated in the gang activity. He's sitting in jail now. Just for the raps? I find that hard to believe.

      Given our media's penchant for sensationalism and pitting groups against one another, I wonder if there is more to the story.

    4. Isn't the question here whether or not Mr. Doo was actively facilitating gang recruitment? Pretty thin case.

      Look for the dreaded ACLU to get involved if it actually goes anywhere.
      Don't look for anyone to ask the prosecutor why everyone's time is being wasted.


    The POINT, dear children, is the preservation of FREEDOM of SPEECH. It is NOT about the relative merits -- or lack thereof -- of any particular mode of expression -- musical or otherwise.

  6. I have lived in California, so I see this first hand.

    The White Establishment-Government Complex is afraid of black and brown males. That is what this is all about.

    If government dealt fairly with everyone and without discrimination, everyone would be free to live and not have to form gangs to protect themselves from the power structure that hates them.


  7. Your last fleeting thought before you take your dirt nap could be......damn,rock and roll out lived me.

  8. It's an interesting case, and it combines some law you conservatives usually back.

    From what I understand the prosecutor is saying Mr. Duncan was actually engaged in "gang activity," with laws on the state books regarding, via his music and lyrics.

    So, that's really the question.

    Of course, the 1st amendment can't help but to really stand out here. It seems to me that Amendment would trump "gang activity" state laws unless perhaps Mr. Duncan is convicted of some other crime to make the speech conspiracy, as in when convicts are disallowed to receive compensation for depictions of their crime or trial.

    Interesting case. Even if he lost this, though, I can't imagine this case would make it through appeals.


  9. Hmmmm....

    If we jail anyone who has "promoted violence," should we jail Arthur Penn and Warren Beatty, principals involved with the 1967 film Bonnie and Clyde.

    My father's friend owned the local cinema and turned me away from the box office when I showed up to buy a ticket to see Bonnie and Clyde. I was 15 years old at the time.


    Please clarify something for me....Is Tiny Doo a gang member?

    1. Funny, I was thinking along the same lines. Jail Glen Campbell for profiting off of his song, "Bonnie and Clyde?"

      How about all those old folk, bluegrass and blues songs about horrible crimes and murders? Ever heard "Banks of the Ohio" or "Tom Dooley?"

      Not to mention Stack O Lee by Mississippi John Hurt, or Friend of the Devil by The Grateful Dead...

      The Americana catalogue is bursting with songs about crime.

    2. SF,
      Thanks for citing those specific examples.

  10. Like FT, I cannot abide rap "music."

    My tastes in music are more eclectic than FT's. But rap? Nope!

  11. I don't like rap either. I can't believe such a limited form has attained such long-holding commercial success, to be honest. It literally is the lowest common denominator of music. I mean, when I was young in the late 70's, and some of the other kids would be standing around making up raps to tease each other and make clever riddles and jokes, it was fun, impressive actually. But if you told me then that rap would become a dominate pop form unto itself, I'd have been pretty surprised.


    1. I IS clever, inventive and original, Jersey. It shows considerable intelligence, but it's also vulgar and mono-dynamic with a marked tendency towards brutality, and that is why I can't help but see it as a waste of human potential. All these degenerate forms of cultural expression move in ever dimnshing circles towards a Dead End.

  12. It's not only Rap, it's the "rappers."



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