Friday, June 23, 2017

Did Votes by Non-citizens Cost Trump the 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way

Then-President-elect Donald Trump got jeered for tweeting "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally." But more data are coming to light that lend credence to his claim. (AP)



Election 2016: Late in 2016, we created a stir by suggesting that Donald Trump was likely right when he claimed that millions of noncitizens had illegally voted in the U.S. election. Now, a study by a New Jersey think tank provides new evidence that that's what happened.

Last November, just weeks after his Electoral College win that gave him the presidency, then President-elect Donald Trump tweeted, "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally."

The reaction was angry and swift, with the left accusing him of being an "internet troll" and of hatching a "Twitter-born conspiracy theory."

At the time, we noted that a group called True The Vote, an online anti-voter-fraud website, had claimed that illegals had cast three million votes last year. The media and left-wing groups immediately portrayed True The Vote as a fringe group with little credibility.

The only problem is, a study in 2014 in the online Electoral Studies Journal made a quite similar claim: In the 2008 and 2010 elections, they said, as many as 2.8 million illegal noncitizen votes were cast, "enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes and congressional elections," said the study, authored by Jesse T. Richman and Gushan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

The bombshell was this: "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

It got little coverage in the mainstream media, and what coverage it did get was almost entirely dismissive.

Now comes a new study by Just Facts, a libertarian/conservative think tank, that used data from a large Harvard/You.Gov study that every two years samples tens of thousands of voters, including some who admit they are noncitizens and thus can't vote legally.

The findings are eye-opening. In 2008, as many as 5.7 million noncitizens voted in the election. In 2012, as many as 3.6 million voted, the study said.

In 2016, the U.S. Census Bureau estimates that there were 21.0 million adult noncitizens in the U.S., up from 19.4 million in 2008. It is therefore highly likely that millions of noncitizens cast votes in 2016.

And it was no accident. Democrats had extensive get-out-the-vote campaigns in areas heavily populated by illegal aliens. As far back as 2008, Obama made sure that those who wanted to vote knew it was safe, announcing that election records would not be cross-checked with immigration databases.

And last year, the Obama White House supported a court injunction that kept Kansas, Alabama and Georgia from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. The message was sent, loud and clear: If you're a noncitizen or here illegally, don't be afraid. You're free to vote. No one will stop you.

We don't know the exact number of illegal votes. No one does. But the data that are available suggest that the number of illegal votes was substantial — probably in the millions, as Trump said — and likely had a significant impact on the election's outcome.

Even Democrats should find this troubling; every vote cast by a noncitizen voter negates the vote of a citizen voter. It's that simple. It's time the Democratic Party started living up to its name and stop encouraging noncitizens and illegal aliens to vote in our election.


Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

Democrats Want Illegals To Vote Because They Vote Democrat

Giving Illegals The Vote: How To Wreck A Country


  1. Replies
    1. Kieran Kavanaugh-Kickapoopoo said

      Everbuddy bud de Niggazanjus Tribe of hedhundizz and kannibbles.

  2. Don't want to say : I Told You So, But I Told You So

    1. William Tecumseh Tallywhacker said

      Oh we knew it all the time, DT. I'm sure most of the illegal votes came from Maxine Waters' district. She probably hit the bricks and offered all sorts of special "treats" and cash "rewards" for accepting the phony ID's and Voter Regisgtrations she and her minions were handing out AND the free bus rides –– accompanied by armed D'Rat activists, of course –– to the D'Rat polling places.

  3. As always you haven't been paying attention. The only reason Trump won was the bus loads of Russians that came in to vote for him.

    1. No doubt, Skud. No doubt.

      I understand too that Trump spent a billion of his own bucks to purchase that expert interference from Moscow.

      When it all finally comes out, it will be Impeachment City all the way.


    2. Dr. Heimlich Von WeinerspeigelJune 23, 2017 at 5:10 PM

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  4. Bill Clinton put the insidious plan in place: Motor voter, coupled with giving illegal aliens drivers licenses in most states.

    So, someone is registered to vote when they get a drivers license. Next step, show up to vote and show your drivers license.

    We are the brokest, stupidest nation on earth.

    1. Boothe Parkinson said

      That's because we let Jews push tbeir way into the Ivy League.

  5. This may be difficult for some of you Liberals, or progressives to understand, but try to stay with me. Where does it say healthcare is a right? I do agree with you that Obamacare is unsustainable as is shown by less than a third of people who are eligible are enrolled. If it was so great you wouldn't have any non insured.
    It is almost impossible to take away free stuff from people who the government has made their dependents and the media will make sure to only advance the bad portions.
    Obamacare was and is a disaster but it will remain and those 20 million uninsured will remain uninsured while both parties say they tried. Obamacare in many states is becoming a democrats ideal system of single payer because in many states there is only one participating insurance company

    Have you Libs already forgotten about... Pelosi: “We have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it”. And now she complains about the New heath plan being done in Secret? I guess that’s Liberals logic= Let's Pass it Then Complain about It. Ass Backwards!

  6. No. I'm not ok with Men in women's bathrooms, no matter what they call themselves, Transvestites or whatever else1 . I'll never be ok with that. No decent, rational person, and NORMAL person would ever be ok with that. And another thing, if this or any other mentally disturbed individual tries to walk in the restroom while my daughter is in there... trust me I will not be responsible for what happens in result of it. You can call me a homophob, narrowed minded or whatever, it may be ok with the Progressives of this crazy world, but it's not ok with me.. ... .
    It's simple:

    If you have a penis you should use the men's room.

    If you have a vagina you should use the ladies room.

    If you have both or neither you shouldn't be using either, but you need help! Lots of it.


    1. Donald J. Trump, President of the United StatesJune 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM

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    2. Just make the girls stand up to pee at the uriinals, That'll fix evwerything,

    3. "Hermaphroditic our culture's becoming,"
      Said Leslie to Marion chatting at tea.
      "Unisex cstumes, ambiguous hairstyles
      Are very confusing," said both MEN to me!

      ~ FT

    4. Max "Ed" Pickles said

      Freethinker, you are not only brilliant, you are funny as hell. I love your stuff. Keep posting, man, and don't let the bastards get you down.

  7. Actors really have sunk to an all new low. Madonna wanting to blow up the White House, Kathy Griffin wanting to behead Trump, and Snoop Dogg threatening to shoot him. Now look who just joined.

    Sure, we all knew Johnny Depp HATES President Trump. He even suggested that Trump supporters shouldn’t watch his movies. Tonight, however, he threatened to ASSASSINATE Donald Trump .

    1. Johnny DeppShit is in England. The US Government should revoke his passport, and if he tries to reenter the United States, she should be dogpiled and beaten by a scrum of fat, sweaty TSA workers, tried and jailed.

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    1. Depp apologised. Get over it. Trump has many who despise him and for good reason. Depp just let his mouth overtake his brain.

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    1. Corinne Teasdale said

      Why SHOULD we when more than half the people are nothing more than mindless blobs who have weight, take up space and waste oxygen?

  10. As my dearest friend and I often say when something is so bizarre that we are at a loss for words:

    "Well, why not?"

  11. The Electoral Studies Journal is a respected publication.

    One of the authors of the study you mention wrote this in the Washington Post:
    "We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted."

    The beat goes on. It is interesting that this study isn't sited.

    1. Here's the article

      "There are obvious limitations to our research, which one should take account of when interpreting the results. Although the CCES sample is large, the non-citizen portion of the sample is modest, with the attendant uncertainty associated with sampling error. We analyze only 828 self-reported non-citizens. Self-reports of citizen status might also be a source of error, although the appendix of our paper shows that the racial, geographic, and attitudinal characteristics of non-citizens (and non-citizen voters) are consistent with their self-reported status."

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    3. Ducky, Probably the bestthing for you to just shut the hell up You are an embarrassment and you are ignorant this and most other the subjects.

    4. The extraordinary lengths to which the Left will go to deny obvious truths and obscure thebnormal voew of Reaity is astounding.

      The mountains of statistics they compile –– or should I compost –– in their ceaseless attetmpts to persuade ordinary citizens that said citizens don''t know their ass from their elbow, and therefore, must be led is tantamount to ingesting a large portion of steel filings soaked in vinegar for breakfast each day and a copious amount of ground glass each evening.

      As Mark Twain said, "Lies, God-Damned Lies, and STATISTICS!

      Go peddle your Marxian Dialectics and classic Alinskyan Tactics elsewhere, Canardo, your political opinions are not welcome here.

    5. Ducky is not ignorant, Anonymous, he is simply PERVERSE –– an educated imbecile he is not. He is very smart, but his mind has been nourished by moral, spiritual and intelletual POISON so long he has become immunized to and therefore unresponsive to The Truth.

      The sneering contempt he continually showers on those who don't accept his Marxian, Fabian, Gramscian, Alinskyan, Utopian dreams and schemes is as patheitc as it is irritating.

      In truth the duck is more to be pitied than despised, but that doesn't mean we have to put up with his irksome quackings.

  12. I saw a good reckoning that concluded 5.7 million illegals voted. Gee, wonder who they voted for. Lemme scratch my head for a nano-second.

    1. Keep thinking, Kid. Eventually you'll come to the right conclusion.


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    1. We're taking about illegal aliens VOTING today.

      Please STAY ON TOPIC.

  14. Soon Obama will be out there on the campaign trail with the remaining Democrats to help them lose even more seats then they already lost. And there may be a handful of Dem leaders who are seeing the dim future ahead of them, but most won't. The great big "Russia" lie is all the democrats have, and they aren't going to give it up. already lost .... And sure as hell they will lose a few more. There may be a few Democratic leaders who are seeing the light now but most won't. The Russian lie is all the democrats have, and they aren't going to give it up until more of them go down. And that's alright with me.

    1. Just remember this, if yu seek a ratiinale for the outrageous behavior of the eft:


      That, of course, is the true motivation behind the incessant barrage of BS currently using up every atom of oxygen in the political arena.

  15. Just as it was for 8 years during the Obama administration. The GOP perfected the art of obstruction.

    1. WInnie the Pooh said

      Of COURSE they did! Isn't that why we got OBAMACARE shoved down our throats and up our bleeding asses?

    2. Homer Tells It StraightJune 24, 2017 at 8:04 PM

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