Former Marine
Brandon Raub is Locked
In a Psych Ward
Over His 9/11 Facebook Posts
“I am currently in the John Randolph Hospital's
psychiatric ward being held against my will!”
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| Former Marine Brandon Raub being led away |
Brandon Raub, a former U.S. Marine who accused the government of lying about 9/11 and spoke of "The Revolution" on Facebook has been arrested and committed to a military psychiatric ward.
According to Raub's mother, authorities from the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield County PD came to their door, questioned Raub about his Facebook posts – which are critical of the official story regarding 9/11 and refer to "starting a revolution" – then handcuffed him and placed him in a Chesterfield PD squad car before taking him to John Randolph Psychiatric Hospital in Hopewell, Va.
Raub, 26, has not been arrested. Both FBI Richmond spokeswoman Dee Rybiski and Secret Service Washington spokesman Max Milien said that there are no charges against Raub.
When asked about why Raub was placed in a psychiatric ward, Rybiski said that the FBI “had nothing to do with that” and that the FBI typically doesn’t “make determinations such as that.”
“We went out to interview him because of complaints that our office had received about people coming across his posts and perceiving them as threatening so our office along with Chesterfield County Police Department on Thursday,” Rybiski told us. ”When we left we had not arrested him, we had not placed our hands on him, we did not detain him and we did not charge him.”
Secret Service spokesman Brian Leary said: “The Secret Service assisted the FBI with the interview. He was not arrested by the Secret Service. The Secret Service will continue to monitor the situation. We have no further comment at this time.”
When asked who ordered Raub to be taken to the psychiatric ward, Leary pointed out that Raub was placed in a Chesterfield PD police car but gave no further details.
Chesterfield PD released this statement <http://wtvr.com/2012/08/20/chesterfield-police-raub-resisted-officers-was-taken-for-evaluation/> (emphasis ours):
Chesterfield Police assisted federal authorities in their efforts to interview Brandon J. Raub on Thursday, Aug. 16. After speaking to Raub, officers believed him to be in need of further evaluation.
Chesterfield officers at the scene contacted Chesterfield Mental Health Crisis Intervention. Crisis workers recommended that police take Raub into custody and bring him in for evaluation.
Chesterfield police took Raub into custody for evaluation in accordance with Virginia State Code § 37.2-808 Emergency custody <http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?000+cod+37.2-808> .
Raub was placed in handcuffs after he resisted officers’ attempts to take him into custody.
Raub was evaluated by a Chesterfield mental health official, who determined that he should be held under a temporary [detention] order and transported to John Randolph Medical Center for additional evaluation.
Raub was not arrested and he faces no criminal charges in Chesterfield. As this is not a criminal matter, Chesterfield police have no further comment.
Raub said he “talked to a Secret Service gentleman for 20, 30 minutes” and had a hearing today at the John Randolph Medical Center. Two family members and some attorneys were allowed to attend.
Radio host Adam Kokesh <http://www.adamvstheman.com/> reports <http://www.facebook.com/KokeshforCongress/posts/10151003801396260> that Raub’s hearing “is over but he is still being held at the John Randolph Hospital against his will.”
Lawyers from the Rutherford Institute, who represented Brandon Raub during the three-hour heariing, will reportedly release a statement this evening.
“I really love America, and I think that idea that you can be detained and sent somewhere without due process and a lawyer … is crazy,” Raub said.
Raub told the Times-Dispatch that he served as a Marine in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2005 to 2011, was a combat engineer sergeant and does not own a gun. His mother said he returned from Afghanistan about a year ago and does not have PTSD.
His Linked-In profile <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/brandon-raub/39/948/401> lists his interests as “Investing in Gold in Silver, Owning a Silver Mine, Owning Oil Wells, Owning Land and Agriculture” and says he owns a small business through Numis Network <https://www.numisnetwork.com/bjraub> , which he describes as “a MLM or Multi Level Marketing Company that sells silver and operates around a program called the ‘Silver Coin of the Month.’ I sell silver directly, and offer the opportunity for individuals to create a business for themselves.”
Raub wrote five articles <http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=21770> about economics and the Richmond Liberty Movement <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Richmond-Liberty-Movement/283824318307658> for the website Don’t Tread On Me.
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Now, ladies and gentlemen, what are we to make of this? Is it warranted in your opinion, or does it strike you as downright Stalinesque?
May we expect to be carted away and incarcerated for airing opinions that displease The Establishment?
Never mind whether you agree with Brandon Raub or not. That is not at issue. Do you agree he has a constitutionally guaranteed right to express his views –– or not?
May we expect to be carted away and incarcerated for airing opinions that displease The Establishment?
Never mind whether you agree with Brandon Raub or not. That is not at issue. Do you agree he has a constitutionally guaranteed right to express his views –– or not?
Our government is off the chain, no doubt about it. The Rutherford institute is not a kook conspiracy outfit.
ReplyDeleteBeware what your government does overseas, it will eventually come home. Swarms of drones and cameras everywhere already surveil our every move.
It is any wonder Bush's preemptive war doctrine would ricochet and infect the fevered minds of government, spawning preemptive justice against the citizens of the state?
Keeping the world safe for progressive liberalism, THAT's what its ALL about.
ReplyDelete"Mommy, that evil man doesn't want to give me all his money...."
"LOCK HIM UP, he MUST be CRAZY!"
While my earlier comments stand, I'm still trying to decide this one.
ReplyDeleteHack Wilson has another point of view, and he is a small-government conservative.
At his site I observed that what if the government had done nothing, and in his deluded attempt to start a revolution he killed innocent people? We'd be outraged.
They did not go through his private papers, they read his public Facebook pronouncements, and they were not just outrageous, but threatening violence.
Do we take people at their word or not?
The Revolution will not be posted on Facebook?
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, or if you're FT fortunately, the brother was wrong.
Ducky: Thanks for picking up on the reference :)
ReplyDeleteWrong is wrong is wrong.
What it all boils down to is this:
ReplyDelete"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
We have permitted FAR too much power to accumulate in the hands of government.
Partisan politics have little to do with it.
The will to dominate, manipulate, subjugate is THE Great Flaw in Human Nature.
None of us should put too much trust in ANY single entity -- not even -- or maybe especially not -- the Church given its hideous history.
"Beware the human heart; it is desperately wicked ..."
~ FreeThinke
The inherent problem with security is that no matter what you do, someone is going to get hurt in some way.
ReplyDeleteIf we commit to never doing anything like what happened to this guy, then we run the risk of innocent people being hurt.
If we do things like stick this guy in a psych ward, then we run the risk of law enforcement getting out of hand and silencing people who have no reason to be silenced--violating people's rights.
It all depends on how you think the law should operate: should it be punitive or preventative.
Unfortunately, I don't think it can be both. Perhaps there can be a balance struck between the two, but we have yet to find that magical balance.
Run the risk of the cops getting out of hand?
ReplyDeleteRun the risk?
Check out the recent revelation that the NYPD's illegal activities against Muslim groups produced nada, zilch, zip, NOTHING.
"I have my own private army, the NYPD"
--- Douchebag Bloomberg
Run the risk?
Kid is shot in the head while cuffed and taking two frisks in Arkansas. Ruled a suicide.
ReplyDeleteRun the risk?
Lucky for you, Ducky, you don't live in an actual police state.
ReplyDeleteGo live in Syria for a year and then get back to me.
Besides, nowhere in what I said did I make a claim that everything is alright. I was merely making a philosophical point.
For the love of God put your outrage hammer away and just engage in the discussion.
Jesus, it's no wonder Silver gets tired of you.
Oh, I see. Until we reach Syria's level it's all good.
ReplyDeletePlease, stop.
Being held indefinitely is contrary to the Bill of Rights.
ReplyDeleteBut of course, the Constitution doesn't matter anymore, does it?
"Oh, I see. Until we reach Syria's level it's all good."
ReplyDeleteThis is why no one likes debating with you. You take everything someone says completely out of context and act as though the person just uttered a blasphemy against all that is good and humane.
Let me quote myself just to reiterate something you either didn't read or didn't understand.
"Besides, nowhere in what I said did I make a claim that everything is alright. I was merely making a philosophical point."
Please go away.
Let's stop all this quibbling, and cut to the chase.
ReplyDeleteBenjamin Franklin said all that needs to be said on this sorry subject in these few words:
"They that can give up essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~ Franklin (1706-1790)
For once I agree with Ducky.
~ FreeThinke
As a society we do need the facility to hold dangerously mentally ill patients against their will. This necessary facility has a terrible potential for misuse. We must not tolerate the slightest whiff of it. It absolutely must not be misused to hold bog-standard criminals, even potential terrorists. If you need to hold a suspected terrorist, do it some other way.
ReplyDeleteThe Dept. of Thought Crime's "Pre-Crime Unit" is now seeking applicants for lifeguard for their swimming pool.
ReplyDeleteaka - The anti-terrorism Task Force.
ReplyDeleteLife is a walk on a burning tightrope stretched across across a bottomless pit.
ReplyDelete~ FT
Nietzsche, "Zarathustra"
ReplyDeleteThen, however, something happened which made every mouth mute and every eye fixed. In the meantime, of course, the rope-dancer had commenced his performance: he had come out at a little door, and was going along the rope which was stretched between two towers, so that it hung above the market-place and the people. When he was just midway across, the little door opened once more, and a gaudily-dressed fellow like a buffoon sprang out, and went rapidly after the first one. "Go on, halt-foot," cried his frightful voice, "go on, lazy-bones, interloper, sallow-face!- lest I tickle thee with my heel! What dost thou here between the towers? In the tower is the place for thee, thou shouldst be locked up; to one better than thyself thou blockest the way!"- And with every word he came nearer and nearer the first one. When, however, he was but a step behind, there happened the frightful thing which made every mouth mute and every eye fixed- he uttered a yell like a devil, and jumped over the other who was in his way. The latter, however, when he thus saw his rival triumph, lost at the same time his head and his footing on the rope; he threw his pole away, and shot downward faster than it, like an eddy of arms and legs, into the depth. The market-place and the people were like the sea when the storm cometh on: they all flew apart and in disorder, especially where the body was about to fall.
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"Everything straight lieth," murmured the dwarf, contemptuously. "All truth is crooked; time itself is a circle."
"Thou spirit of gravity!" said I wrathfully, "do not take it too lightly! Or I shall let thee squat where thou squattest, Haltfoot,- and I carried thee high!"
Well, then, best "Get out of MY way, haltfoot!" Did THAT tickle anything?
The heart asks pleasure first,
ReplyDeleteAnd then excuse from pain ––
And then those little anodynes
That deaden suffering ––
And then to go to sleep
And then, if it should be
The Will of its Inquisitor ––
The liberty to die.
~ Emily Dickinson (1830-1886)
Ducky: Thanks for picking up on the reference :) Wrong is wrong is wrong.
ReplyDelete