Wednesday, March 12, 2014


America’s Rich Muslim Heritage

Have you ever seen a Muslim hospital?

Have you heard a Muslim orchestra?

Have you seen a Muslim band march in a parade?

Have you been solicited by a Muslim charity?

Have you shaken hands with a Muslim Girl Scout?

Have you seen a Muslim Candy Striper?

The answer is no, you have not. Just ask yourself  WHY?

Barack Obama, during his Cairo speech, said,  “I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's history."


AN AMERICAN CITIZEN RESPONDS

Dear, President Obama:

1. Were those Muslims who greeted the Pilgrims when they first landed? 

I’ve always thought they were American Indians.

2. Were those Muslims who celebrated the first Thanksgiving?

No, those were Pilgrims and American Indians.

3. Can you show me one Muslim signature on the Declaration of Independence? –– the U.S. Constitution? –– the Bill of Rights?

Didn't think so.

4. Did Muslims fight for this country's freedom from England? 

No.

5. Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America?

No, they did not. In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery.  Your own half-brother, apparently a devout Muslim, still advocates slavery, himself, even though Muslims of Arab descent refer to black Muslims as "pug nosed slaves." That says a lot about what the Muslim world really thinks of your family's "rich Islamic heritage," doesn't it Mr. Obama?

6. Where were Muslims during the struggle for Civil Rights in 1950’s and 60’s?  

Nowhere to be found. There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights and none where Muslims were seen walking side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr.

7. Where were Muslims during during the struggle for women's suffrage?
  
Again, not present. In fact, Islam demands women be subservient to men.  So much so, that often they may be beaten for not wearing the hijab or simply for talking to a man not a member of their husband’s family. That certainly proves Muslims are much in favor of women's rights, doesn’t it?

8. Where were Muslims during World War II?

They were aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Hitler, reviewed the troops and accepted support from the Nazi's in killing Jews.

9. Where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001?  

If they weren't flying planes into New York’s World Trade Center, the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle East –– dancing obscenely in the streets and on rooftops. No one could dispute the filmed evidence from the Muslim world showing scenes of unholy joy celebrating 911 shown on CNN, FOX, MSNBC and other cable news network's that day.

Strangely, Mr. Obama. the very "moderate" Muslims you’ve bent over backwards to embrace in Cairo during The Arab Spring were absolutely silent in the wake of 911. To many Americans, their silence shows tacit approval of and support for the terrorist acts that took place that day.

And THAT, Mr. Obama, is the "rich heritage" Muslims have given us here in America ...

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates with whom Mr. Jefferson grappled so effectively in the early 1800’s. They were Muslims too.

We also must add the November 5, 2009 slaughter of American soldiers at Fort Hood by Major Hasan, a so-called "American" army officer and psychiatrist who was supposed to be counseling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan! Isn’t it odd that he just happened to be a Muslim?

And please don't forget the Boston Marathon bombing on April 15, 2013. That event killed, blinded or dismembered innocent bystanders several of them children. An odd coincidence that the bombing just happened to have been perpetrated by two Muslim Brothers, isn’t it? 

That, dear President Obama, is the "Muslim Heritage" we’ve experienced in the United States of America.

A Muslim Poster Girl for Women's Rights

85 comments:

  1. Barack Obama, during his Cairo speech, said, “I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's history."

    Revisionist history!

    Nevertheless, history textbooks today repeat that falsity.

    Have you seen a Muslim Candy Striper?

    No, but did have a run-in with a Muslima nurse back in 2009. She phoned me at 2:00 A.M. when Mr. AOw was in the stroke unit some 25 miles away from our home. It was not an emergency, and she so stated. However, she called ma t that ungodly hour to tell me, "Your place is here with with your husband."

    My response: "No, my place is to go to work to pay for the health insurance plan that pays your salary. Goodbye."

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  2. PS: I never see a Muslim in an art museum -- unless there is a display of Islamic art. Just sayin'.

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  3. Barack Obama goes to the Gap, not to museums.

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  4. Have you ever seen a Muslim visit the Statue of Liberty?

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  5. I've seen muslim protests.

    Our government is crazy for letting moslems in. Their customs and traditions of genital mutilation, stoning, blasphemy laws, fatwas, etc are not compatible with our traditions.

    Why would anyone want to import these people to our country?

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  6. Have you ever seen Muslims fly planes into skyscrapers in New York, and Murder 3,000 innocent people?

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  7. @AOW --- PS: I never see a Muslim in an art museum -- unless there is a display of Islamic art. Just sayin'.

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    See them at the Gardner and the Fine Arts all the time.

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  8. President likely got the impression that Muslims played a big part in American culture by seeing the clown cars from the Mocha Temple in a local Shriner's Parade.

    It's easy to confuse these folks for some fun-loving-young-at-heart types.

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  9. Ancient history of where the idea of "hospital" came from.



    Islamic inventions that shaped the modern world.


    10. Hospitals
    "Hospitals as we know them today, with wards and teaching centers, come from 9th century Egypt," explained Hassani. The first such medical center was the Ahmad ibn Tulun Hospital, founded in 872 in Cairo. Tulun hospital provided free care for anyone who needed it -- a policy based on the Muslim tradition of caring for all who are sick. From Cairo, such hospitals spread around the Muslim world.

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  10. Also this will enlighten you on the rest of your questions, which, by the way, came from a blast email.

    Obviously, the people who sent that email around were interested only in stirring up hatred and resentment against all Muslims instead of learning facts.

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  11. Islam did contribute ideas to society. They didn't invent the hospital, but they did pass on medical knowledge, such as it was, that they got from the Ancient Greeks.

    Unfortunately, the once vibrant Muslim World is now the seat of obscurantism, paternalistic misogyny, slavery, and gross human rights abuses.

    We are crazy for importing that into our country.

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  12. Here's a question that's not on the list:

    With the replacement f the Shah of Iran by the Ayatollah Khomeini, what effect did the primitive mentality of this Ayatollah have on the perception of Islam in the rest of the world?

    Was it strictly spontaneous or a longer term undermining of Iran and destabilization of the country that led to this "religious revolution" or something more sinister, like creating a "new enemy" to misdirect the attention of people away from what was the REAL threat to the world?

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  13. Shaw,

    If you have facts please share them. I will check them to ascertain their validity.
    I wonder why Muslims need the Left to be their cheerleaders if they are such a visible, vibrant, participatory and inclusive culture?
    This post really made me stop and ponder, Freethinke! Thank you!

    Andie

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  14. Andie, I've given you links to facts.

    I wonder why the Right needs to denigrate Muslims. This post is nothing more than a recycled email from 2012 that's been debunked.

    If you or others need facts, I suggest you read history.

    "Can you show me one Muslim signature on the Declaration of Independence? –– the U.S. Constitution? –– the Bill of Rights?"

    Can you show me one Italian signature on the DoI? One Jew? One Spaniard? One Greek? One Asian? One African? One WOMAN?

    What's the point of that question?

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  15. Shaw seems to be a Mussie ass kisser

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    1. Dose a Bear crap in the woods?March 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM

      Surprise, Surprise!

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  16. It's not revisionist history to state that Islam has always been part of America's history. It's fact. It seems like"revisionist" to those who don't know America's history:


    "Some scholars estimate that 10-20 percent of the slaves brought over from Africa were Muslims. The film "Amistad" alluded to this fact, portraying Muslims aboard this slave vessel trying to perform their prayers, while chained together on deck as they crossed the Atlantic. Personal narratives and histories are harder to find, but some stories have been passed on from reliable sources:

    Omar Ibn Said (ca. 1770-1864) was born in the Muslim state of Futa Toro in Western Africa, in present-day Senegal. He was a Muslim scholar and trader who was captured and enslaved. He arrived in South Carolina in 1807, and was sold to James Owen of North Carolina.

    Sali-Bul Ali was a slave on a plantation. His owner James Cooper wrote: "He is a strict Mahometan (sic); abstains from spirituous liquors, and keeps various fasts, particularly that of the Ramadan..."

    Lamen Kebe was a slave who used to be a school teacher in Africa. He shared information about the texts and teaching methods used in the Islamic schools of his country.

    Abdul Rahman Ibrahim Sori spent 40 years in slavery before he returned to Africa to die. He wrote two autobiographies, and signed a charcoal sketch of himself by Henry Inman, which was featured on the cover of 'Freedman's Journal' and is on display in the Library of Congress.

    Many of the Muslim slaves were encouraged or forced to convert to Christianity. Many of the first-generation slaves retained much of their Muslim identity, but under the harsh slavery conditions this identity was largely lost to later generations."


    President Obama spoke correctly when he said Islam has always been part of American history.

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  18. Dose a Bear Crap in the woods?March 12, 2014 at 12:25 PM

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  19. 4. Did Muslims fight for this country's freedom from England?

    No.

    Neither did Asians.

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  20. Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era?

    El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz, also known as Malcolm X, at one point stood with Martin Luther King, Jr. Indeed, he was and still is a very controversial person, but there is not doubt that he and his followers were Muslims and strong supporters of the Civil Rights movement.

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  21. Shaw,

    If they are such an integral part of the fiber of the this country, then why do they insist on being separatists?
    You mention Italians, Jews, etc. Those groups have assimilated while still maintaining their cultural identity. It CAN be done.
    The fact that you are here trying to sell the Muslims to us (so to speak) is very telling. If Muslims had been successful in integrating they would not need you to do that. That is the point.


    Andie

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  22. "The majority of Allied troops that landed on the beaches of Provence in August, 1944 were "Free French" Muslims from North and West Africa.

    Thousands of Moroccan and Indian Muslim troops voluntarily served in the liberation of Italy. They risked and gave their lives along with Polish freedom fighters and American GIs at Monte Cassino.

    Tens of thousands more Soviet Muslim troops bravely served at hellish Stalingrad and Leningrad. All of us should honor and be thankful for their sacrifice in helping end the scourge of Nazism."


    SOURCE

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  23. "If they are such an integral part of the fiber of the this country, then why do they insist on being separatists?"

    Where are the facts to support that? Do a majority of American Muslims choose to be "separatists?" Where's the evidence for that?



    "You mention Italians, Jews, etc. Those groups have assimilated while still maintaining their cultural identity. It CAN be done."

    And the Muslim community assimilate as much as any other cultural group that maintains its cultural identity and is proud of it. In a few days all of South Boston, New York City, and Chicago and other smaller cities will all be waving the Orange White and Green in celebration of an IRISH culture and heritage. There's nothing wrong with that.



    "The fact that you are here trying to sell the Muslims to us (so to speak) is very telling."

    I'm not "selling" anything. I'm providing facts to counter the fact-free email that's featured here.

    Because I'm not bashing all Muslims, people here consider that "selling" and "ass kissing."

    Now you tell me who has a problem looking at facts.



    "If Muslims had been successful in integrating they would not need you to do that. That is the point.

    Andie"

    You have it backward, I'm afraid. If certain people didn't continue to spread lies and misinformation about an entire group of people other folks wouldn't have to do this.

    What was the purpose of this post?

    To confirm certain people's prejudice against an entire group.

    The facts do not support that prejudice.

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  24. Gotta go with Andie on this one.

    Islam blesses the horrible violation of women's rights, and slavery and human trafficking are routine phenomena in the moslem world.

    I have never understood American liberals, especially liberal women, defending misogynistic, gay-killing obscurantists. muslims are the very antithesis of the true meaning of liberal.

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  25. S.B.

    Nothing I posted here "blesses" the fundamentalist Islamists who violate women's rights and commit murderous acts.

    There are more than a few American-founded religions that make women unequal. There's one in particular that tells women they should be "subject" to their husbands, and "graciously submit." And there are other American fundamentalist religious sects that require women to adhere to a modest hair style and dress code at all times.

    As for "gay-killing." Muslims aren't the only religion that participate in that crime.

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  26. The good things about Muslims is... give them the time and they'll blow themselves up.

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  27. Shaw Kenawe,
    An idiot holding a Bible and spouting off is much different than forbidding a woman to drive, mutilating a girl's genitals or stoning a woman to death.

    You've delivered us a textbook false equivalency.

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  28. S.B.,

    And you brought up issues having NOTHING to do with all the false information in the post I responded to.

    You've changed the subject to prove what? That fundamentalist Muslims are crazy? That's pretty much a truism for all fanatical fundamentalist religions.

    I have shown, with evidence, that the email featured in this post is mostly propaganda to incite hatred toward an entire group of people.

    You and Andie have not addressed any of that nor countered the facts I presented; instead you both changed the subject.

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  29. I am so sick and tired of you stupid progressives with your with slavery bull-shit, your stupid un-factual biases arguments!

    You can kiss my Royal Racist Ass you pathetic jerkoff and that goes for YOU Shaw along with El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz, also known as Malcolm X, Al Sharpton, Jessie “the Jerk” Jackson, and all the rest of you Bleeding Hearts!

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  30. Someone has lost the argument when her defense to one narrow part of a larger point is "oh yeah? They do it too."

    Shaw Kenawe: So you found a blog where someone could answer the questions in the positive. Congratulations! Bravo for you!

    In case you haven't noticed, this blog post is not about you or your comments in the thread, although I have addressed your comments.

    I was trying to be polite before, but now I will be blunt: Muslims did not invent hospitals.

    Finding moslem participation here or there in our history does not constitute a "rich heritage."

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  31. After reading some of the crap on Shaw's progressives blog, I have to wonder why our forefathers gave women the right to vote, and the freedom from slavery..........

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  32. So Much for Your Sacred Muzzies!




    Alcohol & Drugs
    Alcohol consumption in Muslim regions of the world (Middle East and North Africa) increased by 25% in 5 years.
    In 2007, Afghanistan produced an extraordinary 8,200 tonnes of opium (93% of the global opiates market).
    Saudi Arabia is the world’s 6th largest consumer of anti-impotence drugs, demand is 10 times that of Russia.

    Children
    4 out of 5 Middle-Eastern women are sexually abused between the ages of 3 and 6 by family members.
    More than half of all Yemeni girls are married before reaching puberty.
    About 1 in 10 pregnancies in the Arab world ends in abortion. In Pakistan every 6th pregnancy is terminated.
    94% of Yemeni children (2-14 yrs) subjected to violence from a parent or guardian.

    Conspiracy Theories
    2011 Pew poll finds 1 out of every 10 Muslim American thinks President Obama is really a Muslim.
    46% of UK Muslims believe "the Jewish community in Britain is in league with the Freemasons to control the media and politics."
    64% in Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, and Indonesia believe it is US foreign policy to spread Christianity in the Middle-East.
    Most Muslims in all 8 nations polled in 2011 believe 9/11 attacks were not by Arabs (57-75%).

    Crime & Prejudice
    2011 Studies finds Muslims are more "phobic" of non-Muslims than the non-Muslims are "Islamophobic" of Muslims.
    According to FBI 2008 statistics, anti-Muslim incidents in the US are dropping and only account for 1.3% of all hate crimes.
    Jewish victims of hate crimes in the US outnumber Muslim victims by a 10-1 ratio.
    Anti-Christian hate crime incidents outnumber anti-Muslim incidents in the US.

    Lack of Free Speech
    Turkey has more journalists in prison than any other country in the world, almost double that of China and Iran.
    40% of Indonesian Muslims say they would use violence against those blaspheming Islam.
    78% of British Muslims support punishing people who publish cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad.
    Since 1990, 52 people accused of blasphemy in Pakistan have been extra-judicially killed by lynch mobs.

    Free Rights
    There are 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
    9 of the top 10 persecutors of Christians are Islamic countries. Of the top 50 countries, only 12 have a source other than Islam.
    Turkey tops list of countries violating the European Convention on Human Rights for 3 consecutive years.
    As of 2010, Indonesia had over 150 religiously motivated regulations restricting minorities’ rights.

    Slavery
    Africans taken (or died in the process of being taken) as slaves by Muslims is estimated to be higher than 140 million.
    1.25 million white European Christians were captured and sold into the Muslim slave trade between the 16th and 19th century.
    The Islamic slave trade still flourishes in Muslim countries. There are over half a million slaves in Mauritania alone.
    Christian Solidarity International has liberated over 80,000 Sudanese slaves taken captive by Arab Muslims

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  33. "Saudi Arabia is the world’s 6th largest consumer of anti-impotence drugs"

    So all those creepy, beardy old pious moslems can rape little girls.

    Big Mo the Profit did it, so it's all good!

    Islam is a freakish horror show for women. Why and liberal feminist would have anything good to say about it is a point of never-ending amazement.

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  34. "Islam is a freakish horror show for women. Why and liberal feminist would have anything good to say about it is a point of never-ending amazement."

    Amen to that...I completely agree with you..
    the Muslims are the most barbaric lot of people in the world.

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  35. Shaw, don't interrupt their 10 minute hate. you are wasting your time. If freethinke deigns to respond (as himself) it will only be to make a retort along the lines "yeah? Well you can prove anything with FACTS, can't you?"

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  36. Does a Bear crap in the woodsMarch 12, 2014 at 4:07 PM

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  37. Jez:
    Please point out anything untrue I have said.

    Thank you,
    Sargento

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  38. Remember Ben GaziMarch 12, 2014 at 5:35 PM

    Muslims who live here in America don't contribute anything to America. Have you ever seen a Muslim do anything that contributes positively to our way of life?. I haven’t. The same goes for criminals who deliberately ignore the laws of the land.

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  39. Remember:
    Here is where we must part company. There are indeed many accomplished Muslims in this country. Doctors, entrepreneurs.

    Their median income is above the overall median, and the vast majority have assimilated.

    My problem is that our government is incapable of sorting out the bad apples.

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  40. Free... what was the purpose of this post?

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  41. Thank you all for participating in this little exercise. The way people respond -- or refuse to respond -- to stimuli of various kinds never fails to fascinate me.

    I would only say to Miss Shaw that the glories of ancient Egypt, the Golden Age of Pericles in Athens -- and the notable achievements of the ancient Assyrians, Babylonians, Phonecians (sp?), the Aztecs, the Inca, the early inhabitants of Easter Island, et al. have vanished with les neiges d'entin (the snows of yesteryear).

    The credit we so rightly give to these ancient Civilizations cannot be extended to those who now inhabit these regions. For good or for ill everything dies sooner or later. What comes after the demise of a once-great Civilization is not often an improvement in the past.

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  42. As for the purpose of making this post, I think those of us not of the Muslim faith would be well advised to become more aware that we in the West have been nursing a cultural viper on our proverbial bosom.

    The questions raised in this piece most of which was, indeed, circulated by email, deserve thoughtful answers. The pictures I have chosen -- among literally thousands available -- speak volumes. They are not fakes conjured up in Photoshop to spread evil propaganda against an innocent religious force.

    I do wish we could address one another without resorting to acrimony. Miss Shaw, and others who choose the role of apologists for Islam, spoke politely, and certainly raised some points worth considering, although it seems obvious that she -- like every leftist in my acquaintance -- objects to the unpleasantness of the post more in a spirit of condemnation for the person or persons who originally dared to ask these provocative questions and make these assertions, which may not tell the WHOLE truth, but are, nevertheless, true enough in the context of present-day world politics.

    It should be said that there may be as many faces of Islam as there are of Christianity. What goes on for instance at St. Peters and the Vatican, bears little or no resemblance to the rituals observed in little wooden churches erected by Southern Baptists in the rural United States, or the Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City, Utah, or the National Cathedral in Washington, DC, the African Methodist-Episcopal Church, or the prosperous suburban versions of Presbyterianism, Methodism, Lutheranism and the Episcopal Church -- to say nothing of the Russian and Greek Orthodox Churches, the Coptic Church, The Assembly of God and other similar variants of Christianity derisively referred to as "Holy Rollers" by more conventional Christians. Yet, despite their vast differences in style and the quibbling, nit-picking, divisive feuding over what is and is not "truly" Christian, there is an essential unity in the benignity of Christian Doctrine that pervades most of these variants, with the exception of vicious, lunatic, self-styled renegade sects like the Westboro Baptist Church, which serves only to give Christianity a bad name -- and a good excuse for leftists to strengthen their attack on the Christian Church in general.

    As Christians we are enjoined to be meek, humble, tolerant and always loving towards our "neighbors," but I do not think we are supposed to roll over and play dead for every hostile aggressive forces that means to do us harm.

    Radical Islam -- of which there are approximately 250 million followers in a world population of, perhaps one-and-a-half billion Muslims -- most certainly longs to OBLITERATE anything and anyone who refuses to bow before THEIR idea of Divinity and obey THEIR version of the Law.

    The same, unfortunately, holds true for leftists some of whom are our very dearest friends on a personal level. The conflict between devotion to Truth and Principle, and personal affection is often very painful.

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  43. AOW displays a great motto at her blog:

    "The Truth is Not Hate Speech."

    I heartily concur with the proviso that ought to be as certain as we possibly can be that what we say is true.

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  44. Dave
    If you have to ask, then I think you are an idiot

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  45. FT,
    What comes after the demise of a once-great Civilization is not often an improvement in the past.

    You'll get no disagreement from me on the above.

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  46. FT,
    No disagreement from me on the following, either:

    As Christians we are enjoined to be meek, humble, tolerant and always loving towards our "neighbors," but I do not think we are supposed to roll over and play dead for every hostile aggressive forces that means to do us harm.

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  47. The Sargento Bandera above is a phony.

    Of course, I feel silly saying that. Complaining that someone has stolen the fake name I use.

    But anyone can look at my comments and see that I do not gratuitously insult people like the faker just did.

    What is it with some people?

    FT: You can verify by checking the ip addresses.

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  48. Thank you, AOW.

    I need also to point out that NOI (The Nation of Islam) -- perhaps, better known as "The Black Muslims" -- was an invention of the late not-so-great Elijah Muhammed of whom Malcolm X was at first a disciple and later a rival. The movement was conjured up by and for America's colored people, and has been controversial since its inception.

    NOI is not a TRUE branch of Islam at all, since it has only the most tenuous connections to that faith as practiced in the Middle East, Malaysia and North Africa.

    NOI today is headed by none other than "Calypso Louie" -- the notorious "Minister Farrakhan" who shamelessly exercises his First Amendment Rights by preaching hatred of the Jews, hatred of all White People , hatred of Christianity, and the desire to foster open rebellion against the United States of America.

    A MARVELOUS Heritage that, isn't it? Highly reminiscent of the faux-Christanity espoused by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and others of his despicable ilk, isn't it?

    I too plead guilty to being a "hater." Indeed I am, but what I hate is aggression, bullying, dishonesty, hypocrisy, specious logic, double standards and mindless adherence to any kind of orthodox patterns of Thought and Belief. That certainly includes Marxian-Fabian-Socialistic-Progressive-Liberal-Anarchist-Atheist hatred of and determination to discredit and dismantle everything I, personally, love and cherish.

    would insist that I too have rights.

    Isn't it dreadful? ;-)

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  49. "Miss Shaw, and others who choose the role of apologists for Islam, spoke politely, and certainly raised some points worth considering, although it seems obvious that she -- like every leftist in my acquaintance -- objects to the unpleasantness of the post more in a spirit of condemnation for the person or persons who originally dared to ask these provocative questions and make these assertions, which may not tell the WHOLE truth, but are, nevertheless, true enough in the context of present-day world politics."


    Wrong.

    First, I am not an apologist for ANY religion, since I am a non-believer. And I find fanatical fundamentalists in ALL religions dangerous.

    Second, the assertions in the discredited blast email from years ago were contradicted by facts which I linked to, and which you dismiss off-hand by claiming those assertions were "provocative questions" that "may not tell the WHOLE truth."

    IMO, you could have been honest and shown how the fanatical Islamists threaten the peace and well-being of not just their countries but anywhere they practice their religion, instead you chose to use a discredited email to slander all Muslims.

    People who resort to half-truths usually are the ones who have an agenda.



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  50. Sargento, I refuse to play those silly electronic detective games. I am only interested in the quality of thought -- or lack thereof -- in each comment.

    I generally eradicate gratuitous insults to Miss Shaw, who is -- and will remain -- a personal friend, despite our vast differences in political philosophy, but I felt obliged to leave some of it, because not everything said in some of those comments was objectionable.

    I long ago gave up trying to control or modify the behavior of others. At age 73 time is running short, and I don't want to waste any of what I may have left on futile, profitless ventures.

    If someone insists on acting like an ass, who am I to try to stop him? ;-)

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  51. Well, Ma'am, you are entitled to your opinion at my place -- even if I think you wrong-headed.

    I will not be "shamed" into making any apology for presenting these remarks.

    We are ALL entitled to our opinions -- something leftists don't seem to want to believe.

    If the moderate, benign followers of Mohammed were what you want to believe them to, why would they not be loudly and fiercely denouncing their radical brethren? As a Christian, I certainly make no apologies for the historic abuses of the Mediaeval Church or lunatic branches of fake Christianity like the Westboro Baptist Church. Instead i roundly condemn those things, as well I should.

    That aside, I simply can BOT understand why Muslims refuse to acknowledge many grievous sins and hideous abuses perpetrated by too many followers of their religion -- a cult I regard as depraved and indecent in the extreme for it's promotion and apparent tolerance of barbarous atrocities all over the world.

    Now that's all I intend to say about this for the time being. UNLIKE the Muslims, themselves, I do not advocate violent reprisal against opponents who show disrespect to my faith. Peaceful deportation and determined deprogramming of American-born "converts" would suit me just fine.

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  52. "Where are the hordes of moderate Muslims who condemn in no uncertain terms the slaughter in that mall?"

    Here they are. The search took me exactly 2 seconds, and what is below is from just ONE site. There are pages and pages more of Muslims around the world condemning the attack in Kenya. If you are determined not to see something you will not see it or look for it, because it will interfere with one's prejudices.


    CBS: Minnesota Muslim Leaders "Strongly Condemned" The Attack. Amid conflicting reports that two Minnesota men may have participated in the Kenya attack, CBS Minnesota reported that "the horrifying attack in Kenya was strongly condemned by Muslim leaders at a Minneapolis mosque this afternoon," and quoted Imam Abdisalam Adam as saying, "This outrageous act of violence has no place in Islam the perpetrators of this barbaric act do not share our Islamic values." [CBS Minnesota, 9/23/13]

    Reuters: "Supreme Council Of Kenya Muslims Condemned The Raid On The Mall As A 'Heinous Terror Attack.' " Reuters reported that "the Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims condemned the raid on the mall as a 'heinous terror attack' and called for Kenyans not to divide along sectarian lines." [Reuters, 9/22/13]

    NBC News: Somali President Decried The Group Behind Attack As "A Threat To The Continent Of Africa, And The World At Large." Somalia President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud condemned the attacks during a speech at Ohio State University, as reported by NBC News:

    Speaking from American soil, Somalia's president warned Monday that the al-Qaeda-linked extremist group that attacked an upscale mall in Kenya is not just a threat to Somalia and Africa, but the entire world.

    "Today, there are clear evidences that al Shabaab is not a threat to Somalia and Somali people only," President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud said in a speech at Ohio State University. "They are a threat to the continent of Africa, and the world at large."

    Ohio is home to the second largest concentration of Somalis in America.

    Mohamud added that his government is committed to uprooting al Shabaab. He said maintaining security is his top priority as Somalia rebuilds after decades of civil war and terrorist threats. But a relapse is a possibility, he warned. [NBC News, 9/23/13]

    ABC Affiliate: "Muslims Across Minnesota" Are Condemning The Attack. ABC affiliate WXOW reported that the attack is being condemned by Muslims throughout Minnesota:

    Muslims across Minnesota are condemning the actions of al-Shabab, saying there is no place for violence in their religion.

    [...]

    "The situation that's happening now in Kenya is a very sad and painful situation," said Mohamed Sheik Nur from the Intercultural Mutual Assistance Association in Rochester.

    al-Shabab, an extremist group from Somalia, has taken full responsibility for the attacks and claims they were carried out in the name of God.

    "There is no way that Muslims allow to kill innocent people," Sheik Nur added.

    [...]

    Khairia Abdulrahman, a Rochester resident from Somalia visiting the Islamic Center in Rochester, said al-Shabab has strayed from the teachings of Islam.

    "They're killing people and they say 'we have to kill in religion' and that is not true. That is not true," Abdulrahman said. [WXOW.com, 9/24/13]

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  53. The very fact that so many millions believe their 'religion' demands they engage in violence is a telling sign and says much about that religion and the people who practice it.

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  54. Bravo Free... in one comment, "If the moderate, benign followers of Mohammed were what you want to believe them to, why would they not be loudly and fiercely denouncing their radical brethren? As a Christian, I certainly make no apologies for the historic abuses of the Mediaeval Church or lunatic branches of fake Christianity like the Westboro Baptist Church. Instead i roundly condemn those things, as well I should." you've opened up the question us more liberal commenters and bloggers have been asking for years.

    Your quote, and many like it has been a pretty standard part of the conservative conversation since 9/11.

    I think many of us can find a great deal of truth in the basis of it, even if we disagree on whether Muslims have been as vocal as some might want following those attacks and many others.

    What you are saying is that absent any great outcry from the moderates against the actions of the extremists, we must conclude either that there are no real moderates, or that they agree with the extremists.

    If this is indeed a valid position, and it has after all been presented as such by many conservative bloggers and commenters, let's flip the question a little.

    We have seen darn little official repudiation of the many insidious statements by conservatives across our country. Think "legitimate rape" "sub human mongrel" "Obama is a commie" and "obama hates white people".

    Is it fair to assume, as you have with Islam, that absent official GOP repudiation of these types of statements, and many more like them, that the GOP approves of them?

    Wouldn't that be a consistent application of your principle?

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  55. Not all Muslims are terrorists but most of them are.

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  56. Anything reported by CBS, NBC, ABC, the NYT, the WaPo, the BoGlob, the BBC et al. -- ALL the "standard" sources of News and Information -- is indubitably agenda-driven and, therefore, highly suspect.

    I wouldn't accept THEIR word in ANYTHING, even if they reported that the sun rises un the east and sets in the west, I would want t check it for myself to make sure. ;-)

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  57. Dave, this post is about "apples," and you want to talk about "oranges." Some other time, perhaps.

    Name-calling is one thing, but rape, murder, torture and wholesale slaughter of innocents in the name of some barbaric concept of "God" is quite another.

    Sticks and stones and all that ...

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  58. I've seen Muslim protests.

    Our government is crazy for letting Moslems in. Their customs and traditions of genital mutilation, stoning, blasphemy laws, fatwas, etc are not compatible with our traditions.


    Fine as far as you went, but you forgot to mention the glorious custom of Honor Killing.

    If some poor underaged child gets raped by her father or one of her brothers or uncles, SHE is blamed and has to be KILLED to bring back the family "honor."

    And feminists, liberal proponents of The Social Gospel and self-styled aesthetes like our friend Canardo rush in to defend THAT?

    Words fail me!

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  59. [I had] a run-in with a Muslima nurse back in 2009. She phoned me at 2:00 A.M. when Mr. AOw was in the stroke unit some 25 miles away from our home. It was not an emergency, and she so stated. However, she called me at that ungodly hour to tell me, "Your place is here with with your husband."

    My response: "No, my place is to go to work to pay for the health insurance plan that pays your salary. Goodbye."


    Good for you, AOW. What I would have told her is unprintable, even at a blog as liberal as mine where salty language is not encouraged but not forbidden either. ;-)

    I'm sure there many who would be quick to assert that your attribution of that nurse's presumptuous officiousness and colossal effrontery to her "religion" is both unfair and libellous, but I've never heard of such callous behavior coming from an an AMERICAN hospital before in my life.

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  60. Tens of thousands more Soviet Muslim troops bravely served at hellish Stalingrad and Leningrad. All of us should honor and be thankful for their sacrifice in helping end the scourge of Naziism."

    The Scourge of COMMUNISM has been infinitely more harmful -- and of much longer duration -- than that of Naziism.

    The number of those who died at the hands of Communists -- well into the HUNDREDS of MILLIONS -- far, far far exceeds the number of those killed by The Axis Powers.

    The Allies managed to DEFEAT the Nazis. Unfortunately, The Forces of Light and Truth have never been able to defeat the Darkness, Depravity and Degeneracy of Communism in its many and varied forms.

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  61. Obviously, the people who sent that email around were interested only in stirring up hatred and resentment against all Muslims instead of learning facts.

    Once again -- as usual -- you willfully conflate "facts" with "truth," Miss Shaw.

    Pardon me for saying so, but in my considered opinion you are "straining out gnats while swallowing camels."

    And if with your superior internet research skills you could discover the author of that oft-quoted observation, and tell me his name, I'd be much obliged.

    I wouldn't want anyone to think I was trying to pass it off as original. ;-)

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  62. Your blog Free, but the reality is you, like many others of a more conservative bent, refuse to talk about a glaring inconsistency in thinking, belief and practice.

    You condemn all, or a large amount of Muslims because they will not renounce the heinous actions of some, saying it shows their agreement with the views of the terrorists.

    Yet, when that same system of judgement is turned around and the proverbial "mirror" that you have been quick to reflect on others shines on conservatives, you retreat to a dodge.

    Is it because you, and others of the more conservative folks would have to admit their inconsistent philosophy?

    I'm just wondering.

    Tell me why people should not judge one group by the standards that group invokes against others?

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  63. Free... as for your quote... "As Christians we are enjoined to be meek, humble, tolerant and always loving towards our "neighbors," but I do not think we are supposed to roll over and play dead for every hostile aggressive forces that means to do us harm."

    I think you would be hard pressed to defend that remark from the biblical and historical record.

    Jesus willingly became a lamb led to slaughter and called us to do the same.

    The believers of his day were total pacifists, and chose a horrific death rather than serve in the military.

    They willingly laid down their lives rather than fight.

    It was not until Constantine that the Christian church chose to accept military service... in a bargain to get official state recognition.

    Jesus indeed does call us to not only be meek, but also to lay down our lives, just as he did, for the loved, and for the judas' among his.

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  64. F.T. "Once again -- as usual -- you willfully conflate 'facts' with 'truth,' Miss Shaw.




    fact noun \ˈfakt\
    : something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence

    : a true piece of information


    fact  
    Use Fact in a sentence

    fact [fakt] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
    2.
    something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
    3.
    a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
    4.
    something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.

    fact (fækt)
    n
    1. an event or thing known to have happened or existed
    2. a truth verifiable from experience or observation


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  65. The counter-factual cannot be true.

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  66. FT typed in the following:

    Anything reported by CBS, NBC, ABC, the NYT, the WaPo, the BoGlob, the BBC et al. -- ALL the "standard" sources of News and Information -- is indubitably agenda-driven and, therefore, highly suspect.

    Today, I saw this blog post about the missing Malaysian flight. The blogger who made this lengthy post (worth reading) commented as follows:

    AND THIS BRINGS UP ANOTHER SUBJECT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. THE STORY IS GETTING VERY CONVOLUTED. THERE IS SO MUCH INFORMATION COMING OUT, AND SO MUCH OF IT IS CONTRADICTORY, THAT IT IS ACTUALLY LAUGHABLE.

    In my opinion, the reason for the labyrinthine aspect of the investigation is not primarily confusion.

    Instead, I believe it is disinformation being spread so that the authorities do not have to blame this on Muslim Jihadists.

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  67. How did organized Christianity (the church in the larger sense) get to the point that Christianity as a whole no longer puts apostates on the rack, chops off heads, etc.?

    TRUE Christians took back their faith.

    Moslems need to "take back their faith." The problem is this: those later violent verses in the Koran -- the Medinan verses. Islam's "new testament" is very unlike Christianity's New Testament.

    Read the Koran for yourselves. But you'll need a guide to do so. The chapters are not arranged chronologically.

    Now, there are certainly many Moslems who don't practice violent Islam -- most Moslems, in fact. But it takes very few Islamic supremacists to control the situation. Furthermore, even moderate Moslems yearn for the establishment of the caliphate -- perhaps the ultimate expression of Islamic supremacism.

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  68. Yes, dear Miss Shaw, you needn't give me any lessons in lexicography -- one of the few things I happen to know a great deal about.

    We've had this conversation before, and I will say once again for the record, though I doubt it will make any changes in your views:

    A Fact is to "The Big Picture" as a Single Tile is to a large Mosaic.

    It really is as simple -- and as immensely complex -- as that.

    "TRUTH" since I, apparently have to spell it out for you, IS "The Big Picture" -- i.e. The Cosmos.

    FACTIONS of any and all varieties are usually intolerant and dismissive of FACTS that don't suit their preconceived notions of what The Big Picture really is -- or in the case of leftist-interventionist-would-be-dictators what they think it OUGHT to be.

    People in general are very apt to get sore and even belligerent when anyone disturbs or questions their particular Weltanschaung.

    Beware the person who thinks he always knows what's right.

    "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."


    ~ C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)


    "Facts are ventriloquists’ dummies. Sitting on a wise man’s knee they may be made to utter words of wisdom; elsewhere, they say nothing, or talk nonsense, or indulge in sheer diabolism."


    ~ ATTRIBUTION: Aldous Huxley (1894–1963), British author. Bruno Rontini’s notes, in Time Must Have a Stop, ch. 1 (1944).





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  69. Consider the following, evidence of the viper that FT mentioned:

    9/11

    7/7

    3/11

    TSA Nude X-Rays

    TSA Fondling

    Shoe Removal

    Two Hour Waits at Airports

    Shoe Bombs

    Butt Bombs

    Jet Airliners Disappearing From Radar Tracking

    Weapons Screening at Major Sporting Events

    Times Square Bombing

    Sex Grooming of Teenage Girls in the UK

    Sharia Agitation

    Zakat Through Placement of Halal

    Food in Various Eateries and Cafeterias

    Distortion of History in School Textbooks

    Mass Stabbing in China

    Murder of Filipinos in Mindanao

    Genocide of Christians in Sudan and Nigeria

    Suicide Bombings in Israel

    Massive Waves of Anti-Semitism Across Europe and the Arab World

    UN Accusations of "genocide" against any group that has the temerity to try to defend themselves against Islamic violence

    Beltway sniper John Allen Mohammed

    Fort Hood massacre

    Boston Marathon bombing

    "Hate speech" accusations when confronting Islamic doctrine
    3.5 oz liquids in bottles

    1 quart ziplock bag per person in carry on luggage

    Christians arrested at Arab Festival in Michigan for handing out Christian material
    Valentine's Day Utah mall shooting 2007

    SUV attack at NCU at Chapel Hill 2006

    Taxi drivers refusing service to passengers with alcohol or service dogs

    Christians slaughtered in EVERY country with a Muslim majority

    Employees suing and winning for special treatment: not handling pepperoni pizzas-Target in Miinesota Prayer breaks and prayer rooms - everywhere they demand it Wearing hijabs on the job even when headwear poses safety risk Halal food in schools

    Prisons forcing unsuspecting non-Muslims to eat food in humanely slaughtered while being offered to a god they don't believe in.

    my 2 year olds sippy cup being swabbed for explosives in dulles D.C. airport security by a muslim women wearing a hijab.

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  70. Dave,
    Jesus indeed does call us to not only be meek, but also to lay down our lives, just as he did, for the loved, and for the judas' among his.

    In my view, the above pertains to an individual choice -- not to a nation's choice.

    Do you believe that the colonists should have laid down their lives to submit to King George III?

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  71. AOW... I think the attitude of Christians up until the 4th Century would have laid down their lives.

    It is a historical fact that those who lived closest to Jesus, both in proximity and in regards to the era, did not view armed resistance as a Christian option.

    I would say that the state can do whatever it desires, as long as it does not do sonin the name if Jesus, but individuals who claim Jesus are under a different set of laws and gave an obligation to live as Jesus did.

    The inner conflict and the working that out is a daily struggle with which we should all wrestle "with fear and trembling."

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  72. "FACTIONS of any and all varieties are usually intolerant and dismissive of FACTS that don't suit their preconceived notions of what The Big Picture really is"

    The trick, therefore, is no to seek affirmation of your preferred Big Picture, but contradiction.

    You have looked for, and have (unsurprisingly) found many instances of unsatisfactory behaviour from muslims and jews.

    If you were interested in Truth, you would instead be looking for evidence of desirable behaviour from those groups, and/or evidence of unsatisfactory behaviour from your preferred ethnic/religious group(s).

    If you want to test a theory, do not try to prove it, try to disprove it.

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  73. Vipers? Well I don't remember if Christianity's great reformer, Martin Luther, called the Jews "vipers," but below, you can read that he called them "vermin," among other slurs.

    Nothing changes.

    Humans will always find new religions and ethnic groups to detest and vility, and feel smugly justified in their detestations.




    "Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self­glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.

    * * *
    Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch­thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.

    * * *
    However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.

    * * *
    If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies­­ that is, longer than two thousand years.

    * * *
    ...Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith."



    The writings of Martin Luther, Christianity's great reformer.

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  74. "What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:

    First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly ­ and I myself was unaware of it ­ will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.

    Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.

    Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them."



    In my opinion, the continual defamation of ALL Muslims is no different from what Luther and his followers and many, many millions of Christian said (AND CONTINUE TO SAY) about the Jews.

    Don't forget where that vilification took those nice Christian people.

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  75. FT stated: a cultural viper. I suppose that the term could refer to religion or even to race, but I somehow doubt that FT meant that at all.

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  76. Well, Miss Shaw, I suppose the rabid vilification of Christians and Gentiles in the Talmud that Martin Luther found offensive does not count, and neither does the daily Fusillade of Ferocious Fatuity hurled like thunderbolts from the bowels of your blog at anything and anyone who does not subscribe wholeheartedly to the Progressive View.

    Are Caucasians, Christians, Gentiles, Conservatives and Libertarians not people too? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you treat us unjustly, have we no right to cry out in our own defense?

    This conversation has gotten awfully silly.

    I abhor deliberate mischaracterization. I abhor the assumption too any have that they understand the motives behind provocative statements. I abhor double standards. I abhor hypocrisy, and I abhor shouting matches, pissing contests, and the ritualistic recital of tiresome litanies and well-worn shibboleths.

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  77. The viper we nurse at our collective bosom, AOW, is the Doubt and Self Hatred with which we have been infected by leftists who don't really believe they know better what is best for all mankind, but will use any means fair or foul to achieve the DOMINATION for which they've long lusted with dripping fangs.

    THEY want to be in The Driver's Seat. THEY want to wield The Whip Hand. THEY want to DICTATE to everyone else without the possibility of being held accountable.

    With their God-damned CRITICAL THEORY [explained so beautifully in Linda KImball's article "Cultural Marxism" printed in its entirety on these pages over a year ago, and discussed more recently at your blog] "THEY" have caused "US" to lose faith in God, faith in Ourselves, faith in our Founding Fathers, faith in our Founding Principles, faith in our Constitution, faith in the role our country has played historically on the world's stage. "THEY" have -- very cunningly -- caused us to become unduly cynical, rabidly disputatious, increasingly self-destructive and in a very real sense collectively SUICIDAL.

    So, it is the self-loathing, self-doubting, self-abnegating MENTALITY with which we've been malicious infected that is "THE VIPER" of which I speak.

    As a people we have, indeed, become victims of MASS HYPNOSIS, because of the tremendous power of MASS MEDIA and an increasingly vile POPULAR CULTURE that has been FOISTED in us through INTELLECTUAL AGGRESSION.

    Up the crag in the screaming wind
    Naked and bleeding I fought blind.
    On I went past the Eye of the Sun;
    Past the Cromlech, I found a gun.
    Then, I strayed in the Cities of Men;
    In the home of my Love, I found a pen.


    ~ Anonymous

    Thought is the most powerful weapon we possess. When Thought becomes PERVERSE by cloaking itself falsely in the garb of Righteousness, we are in the immortal words of George Herbert Walker Bush "in deep doo doo."

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  78. Yes, I saw that headline too, AOW, and immediately if your popular weekly Nincompoopery feature.

    Sometimes, things appear so absurdly godawful the only possible response is to laugh our fool heads off.

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  79. Well, Miss Shaw, I suppose the rabid vilification of Christians and Gentiles in the Talmud that Martin Luther found offensive does not count, and neither does the daily Fusillade of Ferocious Fatuity hurled like thunderbolts from the bowels of your blog at anything and anyone who does not subscribe wholeheartedly to the Progressive View.

    That is, of course, horse manure.

    Do you not read your own "thunderbolts?" You don't remember calling President Obama a "dirty son-of-a-bitch?" His father an "African savage?" (Which you've defended as a perfectly good description of him.) And then there's your scathing hatred of Hillary Clinton, whom you never fail to denigrate at every chance you get. You've even admitted to a "visceral" hatred of her. You will not find anything close to that sort of uncontrolled rage at my blog. You can look it up.

    During Bush's 8 disastrous years, I never stooped to calling him, the POTUS, a "dirty son-of-a-bitch."


    C'mon, Mr. F.T. When it comes to hurling, you are a champion!

    I don't engage in anything worse than what you find every day on your favorite conservative blogs.

    It just gets you upset because I give as good as I get.

    You and other conservative bloggers rant about "libtards" and how we're destroying America and how the president is "shredding the Constitution, day in and day out. When you encounter someone on the other side giving as good, for some reason, that sends you and others into paroxysms of rage.

    We're only giving our strong opinions on current events same as everyone else.

    Oh, and as for the anti-Christian writings in the Talamud, and the antisemitic writings of Martin Luther and other famous Christians, and the anti-everyone else in the world in the Koran, that's what fanatical religious views have done all through our sorry human history.

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  80. It's never personal with me, Miss Shaw, and if you examine this blog in detail, the vast preponderance of the articles posted here in no way resemble the kind of thing you object to.

    I have never called anyone a "libtard," and I don't enjoy the trashy "standard" boilerplate SPAM posted all over the blogosphere that purports to be "Conservative" - OR - "Liberal" for that matter.

    I often try to share pleasant, culturally significant material intended to amuse, comfort, cheer, fascinate, even edify, and what happens? -- It gets studiously ignored.

    That's no skin off my nose; it's not MY loss. HOWEVER, it never ceases to amaze me that ALL most want to do is BITCH and MOAN. They LOVE being furious, upset, disappointed, aggravated and disconsolate.

    I think it's PERVERSE, but again, it's not MY problem, thank God. I'm lucky I can afford not to care what others think. I highly recommend it; emotional detachment from nonsense is very liberating.

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  81. Mr. Jefferson said,

    "I remain unalterably opposed to every form of tyranny over the mind of Man."

    That means, of course, that he would have been adamantly opposed to the presence of Islam in the brilliantly conceived republic he and the other Founding Fathers gave us.

    If he had difficulties accepting the mystical aspects of Christianity, which he regarded as mythical, it's easy to imagine what he would have thought of the benighted dictates of "Mahomet" as the bastard prophet was called at the time.

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