Friday, November 18, 2016



Do you think the First Amendment should protect LIARS and allow the LIES they tell to be REPEATED and MAGNIFIED endlessly as a deliberate matter of policy in the ENEMEDIA?


Do you believe any fanciful statement or exaggeration to be a LIE, and that ALL such remarks should be given EQUAL WEIGHT with Libel, Slander, and dark Deception that have the capacity to poison young minds, pollute our culture, and endanger our national security?

Has she been punished enough?

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  1. You bring up libel and slander, which are the two principle areas where the law addresses lying, and both are torts, not legal sanctions brought by a prosecuting attorney of the state.

    Lying is also addressed in contract law, also in the tort arena, and that is where it should stay. I do not want government stepping in and prosecuting people for what it considers "lying," like they rightly do for murder, theft, etc.

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    1. Is that because "what they consider lying," and ACTUAL lying may be different from one another?

      OR is it that you believe objective TRUTH does not exist, except in the mind of the beholder, and cannot, therefore, be ascertained-much-less CODIFIED?


      Pilate famously sed, "What is Truth?" The question has been notorious difficult to answer, but does that mean we should abandon the quest?

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    2. Pilate reached for rhetorical philosophy when confronted face-to-face with God, a natural and cowardly human reaction.

      Of course my objection is because "what they consider lying," and ACTUAL lying may be different from one another?

      I don't want government enforcers making that call any more than I want Obama's "government-curated news."

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    3. Does that mean you favor absolute freedom for the demonically clever proponents of THE BIG LIE to do their damnedest unimpeded?

      I see that as undesirable in a country that has been as ruthlessly, systematically and fiendishly MISEDUCATED as has ours for nearly SIXTY years at least.

      The TRUTH has been so reviled, so misrepresented, so discredited and so viciously bastardized by our Marxian-Controlled Educational System AND the ENEMEDIA that most people under the age of sixty-five (and FAR too many OVER it!) have lost the power to determine Truth from Falsehood, which has ALWAYS been the PRIMARY GOAL of the Cultural Marxists ever since we let them take advantage of our sainted First Amendment.

      When demons are able to use your own rules and principles to DESTROY your rules and principles, it's time to put a STOP to them, even if it means a temporary suspension of "rights."

      The war against Intellectual Aggression is no different from any other kind of war. It cannot be fought successfully by CONSIDERING the NEEDS and FEELINGS of the ENEMY. In a war the ENEMY should HAVE no rights whatsoever, other than the right to SURRENDER unconditionally.

      Once an enemy has been clearly identified, it must be VANQUISHED at least –– ANNIHILATED at best.

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    4. I understand your point, and your idea is a good one, but it is predicated on honest, right-thinking people being in control as the arbiters of truth, and we know what the odd of are. It's a double-edged sword.

      People throughout the ages in all societies have fallen prey to lies and propaganda. That is why biblical teachings are so important, and why the Greeks (as well as other civilizations) held our lady Sophia in such high regard. Virtues are everything: to an individual and to a society.

      A good and Godly people should be less susceptible to nefarious manipulators, as should those who study ancient wisdom and hold up the classic virtues.

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    5. I see your point too. We are faced with a true dilemma, aren't we?

      Ever since "SCIENCE" took it upon itself to discredit, dismiss and supplant GOD then dare to act in HIS stead, humanity has been on the downward path, DESPITE all the "progress" made in technology and even medicine.

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  2. Voice of a Logical ConservativeNovember 18, 2016 at 10:10 AM

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    1. Sorry, but comments MUST at least ATTEMPT relate to points raised in the post.

      This is not Hyde Park Corner.

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  3. I don't think the idea of protecting liars was the intent of the Founding Fathers and the writers of the Constitution. If a false narrative is created and amplified through the media you have nothing less than the worst examples of controlled societies of the Twentieth Century—the old Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

    Today we may have something worse than that. A manufactured official "history" pretending to be the defender of freedom across the planet, building hundreds of military bases on foreign soil and beating the drums of war against against countries labeled as enemies against the lone super power that has self identified as the country that paints itself as the defender against all that is evil—even as it hypocritically flouts every principle of the founding ideals upon which the country was founded.

    It's time to remove oneself from the rule of the evil pentagram and the influence of the Synagogue of Satan that has usurped the original ideals of the country by creating a Balkanized warring collectivized mentality that has divided into groups based on race, ethnicity, gender and now, "sexual orientation". This is no accident but a carefully thought out plan that has been going on since the country was re-enslaved by the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 along with the creation of a "temporary" income tax.

    So If Donald Trump makes inroads into righting these evils, I say: "Carry on, Sir".

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    1. I understand what you are saying, Waylon, but many on the Left would insist the policy you seem to favor could lead too easily to Holocaust 2 in a Third Reich Redux.

      The quivering, shivering, furious, vituperative antagonism from the Left towards "Discrimination" of ANY kind must certainly be rooted in a horror of ever having to relive Germany's tragic, not-so-distant past.

      How should we attempt to answer that?

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    2. I still believe the man won the election against all odds. He showed a super human effort, beyond belief, in my opinion in the final push to the election day. And since he states he paid for this election out of his own pocket, it wouldn't seem to be a wise bet to risk that much for his own personal gain, especially under the circumstances of the media being so biased against him and knowing damned well that they would go to incredible lengths to expose the the slightest errors of judgement in his past—essentially making a "mountain out of a mole hill".

      And this comes with the caveat that his actions must now match his words. I say he should be taken at his word until such time that he veers away from what he has said.

      Some of these people that he is bringing into the administration are left overs from previous Bush administrations so he should be careful there.

      Just heard John McCain speaking at some war-mongering meeting in Halifax about the necessity of reigning in Vladmir Putin who McCain thinks is expanding Russian influence. It seems that McCain thinks a sovereign country under economic attack, with the intent of destabilizing that country and the lives of its citizens (and all that entails) constitutes an enemy. At least in his mind.

      He sounds unstable himself in pushing his war-like agenda. And it doesn't sound that McCain would be a candidate Trump administration. If he becomes that that may be a clue that there is something wrong .

      I think the best way to counter the effect of media-directed propaganda campaign against the election of Donald Trump is to seek the truth and speak out about it. And there is plenty of disgusting information that needs to see the light of day. And it would make the filth of the election campaign seem like a Sunday school picnic. I don't say the country needs that but the country needs to become aware of the depths of the evil that has a jack-boot firmly on the throat of the media and financial system. And it's been there for at least a century.

      When that happens perhaps there will be a new day dawning. At least in this regard Trump is talking a good game. That could change once his rabbis get closer to him, though.

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    3. Donald Trump has stated that he would not collect a salary in his position as President, other than possibly a stipend of perhaps a dollar a year. That's a nice contrast in character to the former First Lady that took as much of the furniture that wasn't nailed down and had the temerity to seek to impose a rerun of that on the country again.

      So all in all, Trump's victory, from my perspective, right now, is a victory for the honest and good people of the country that was on the verge of tipping into the abyss.

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  4. Well, as the media has been shown in the shameless propaganda campaign of the recent election, that Donald Trump has rightfully called "rigged", nothing much has changed.

    I have a hard time believing that anybody that turns to the main stream media could be remotely be considered "informed" since the manufactured reality of its "election coverage" since it was all contrived based upon the bubble and echo chamber of fraudulent polls taken to advance the their chosen candidate.

    CNN and MSNBC have become the real garbage dump networks.

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    1. I suspect they always have been exactly that since their uncertain, Waylon. Ince the media became aware that they could OVERTHROW a PRESIDENT duly elected by one of the greatest landslides in history, their lust for Powerand Control turned them into the deceitful, manipulative monstrosity they've become . Of course NONE of that could have been accomplished without the sponsorship and full support of the OWNERS and OPERATORS of these disseminators of filth and corruption.

      And who might those people be? I think it may be safe to say that their true names are not Van Nostrand, Stuyvesant, Adams, Goethe, L'Enfante, Cabot, Lodge, Parker, Astor, Von Steuben, or O'Shaughnessy.

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    2. FT, there are some names on that list that even though I recognize them, I don't know their exact connection with our descent into blind acceptance of political tyranny today, since that would seem to me about as far from the ideals defined by the Founders ideas of the country of the United States of America.

      I think J. P. Morgan was one of those angling for the creation of a Central Bank, although he croaked before it was imposed in 1913.

      I just came across this YouTube video of George Soros containing the CBS Steve Kroft interview but incorporating some new information about his connections to Justin Trudeau and how he is trying to destabilize this country. Also apparently he has an heir who is following in his footsteps. Since he is so well connected politically to the likes of Justin Trudeau and Hillary Clinton I think everybody should be aware of just what is going on in our world today.

      And the likes of John McCain demonize Russia and Putin while ignoring the evil actions of George Soros in countries around the world and his less than arms-length connections to Trudeau and Clinton. Something is really rotten in our world today.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aETpLQ7WcM

      That's the link to the informative new look at George Soros.

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  5. Caitlyn BumbersnatchNovember 18, 2016 at 1:49 PM

    Wow! I just found this blog! Of course Hillary should be punished for her lies. So should all the lying liberal liars in the news media.

    Instead of publishing another snotty "how to talk to your stupid conservative relatives at the Thanksgiving table," maybe they should be writing witty essays on how to listen to their conservative family members.

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    1. All right but dies that mean you think Conservative Prevaricators –– and there are far too many –– should be punished too?

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  6. Heinrik HieniegrabberNovember 18, 2016 at 5:04 PM

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  7. We have MUCH to be THANKFUL for this Thanksgiving. We send Hillary Clinton to hell and hopefully she will never come back

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    1. AMEN too that! –– even if it is Off Topic. ;-)

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  11. Your Friendly Progressive HaterNovember 19, 2016 at 7:03 AM

    Chaw: Was Right on the Popular Vote Count: Hillary Clinton Won By 2 Million Votes Over President-Elect Donald Trump! The only problem was that they were All Dead People's Votes!

    Hey Chaw, guess what - that and $2.75 gets you a ride on the subway. Listen carefully: "WE WON - YOU LOST!" Again.

    The PIAPS looks more haggard and foul than ever. I just joined a dirt nap pool for her. Being an optimist I chose the earliest date possible. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

    So not only do I get the sweet, sweet schadenfreude of watching that succubus lose, and lose painfully, I will get to hugely profit when she makes her soon-coming descent into Hell!

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  13. Oh Yeah, Hillary. Won the popular vote!

    Liberals have been claiming that the electoral college needs to go. Their reasoning is that Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote, so clearly, the majority of the American people want her. But is that really true? One watchdog organization claims that almost 7 million American votes could be fraudulent.

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    1. A good example of nefarious forces using LIES and DISTORTIONS to plant degenerate, counter-productive notions in John Q. Publick's all-too-empty head.

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  14. Liberals are so desperate to overthrow the election because Trump won that they are calling and threatening the electorates and DEMANDING that they change their votes. Members of the US Electoral College are receiving DEATH THREATS from the ‘tolerant’ leftist Hillary/ Soros supporters. How wonderful.
    Isn't that wonderful of them... the Fucking Stupid , lousy, cockaroches!

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    1. Yes, but what WE would like toknow is this:

      Do you think these machinations from the Left should be FORBIDDEN and PUNISHED, or do you regard these antics as Constituionally-protected forms of FREE SPEECH?

      Attempts to answer THAT question is the POINT of this post.

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  15. STOCKTON, Calif. -- The father of a slain Northern California soldier said his family was booed on the flight to bring his son’s body home from Afghanistan, CBS Sacramento station KOVR-TV reports. Sgt. John Perry was killed on Saturday in Afghanistan by a suicide bomber. His father, Stewart Perry, mourned the loss of his son at a service on Thursday. “Most importantly, I want people to know about the heroic thing that my son did,” he said. His son stumbled on the suicide bomber before he could reach his target, a soldiers’ 5K Veterans Day run. “He would have killed possibly 100, 200, who knows?” Perry said. Perry said his son’s death comes comes at a time military service is facing disrespect.

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    1. A poignant, and infuriating tale to be sure, but I'd lie you to tell us this:

      Do you believe those imbeciles who BOOED in that sad context should be TOLERATED without QUESTION –– or do you think they should be EXCORIATED officially, and possibly given a staff FINE or a JAIL sentence –– or both?

      I don't think weight to punish stupidity, but MALEVOLENCE may be something else.

      What do YOU think?

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  16. ____THE HAWTHORN TREE ____

    Across the shimmering meadows ––
    Ah, when he came to me!
    In the spring-time,
    In the night-time,
    In the starlight,
    Beneath the hawthorn tree.

    Up from the misty marsh-land ––
    Ah, when he climbed to me!
    To my white bower,
    To my sweet rest,
    To my warm breast,
    Beneath the hawthorn tree.

    Ask of me what the birds sang,
    High in the hawthorn tree;
    What the breeze tells,
    What the rose smells,
    What the stars shine ––
    Not what he said to me!


    ~ Willa Cather (1873-1947) - from April Twilights )1903_

    He must have lied to her, if she didn't want to remember what he said, don't you suppose? But the truth of Nature's abundant beauty remained with her, and helped her move beyond what must have been a terrible, possibly heartbreaking disappointment.

    Remember we are trying to talk about Truth v. Lies –– not politics, though I know it's all-but-impossible to separate lies from politics.

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    1. I'm sorry, DD, but as I keep saying over and over nd over again, I want respondents to comment on the substance of the POST. That means the avoidance of making generalized speeches pro or con about OTHER matters.

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    2. I'm sorry as well FT.

      I'm sorry that I wasted my time writing a comment that you had no respect for., and yet you allow all this stupid crap go through.

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    3. I regard you as a person of great good sense most of the time, DD. What I can NOT understand is why a person of your obvious intelligence seems unable to understand my insistence, as a blog proprietor, that comments should at least ATTEMPT to relate to the post under which they appear.

      We've asked if LYING in PUBLIC to achieve a desired political goal should or shouldn't be called to account as a punishable offense?

      I see this as important, because we are often treated to NOTHING BUT lies, distortions and half-truths 'round the clock, seven days a week by the enemedia –– a practice which I believe can't help but wreck the country if it remains unchecked.

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  18. John McCain and all the other “Never Trumpers should be reminded that our “principles” were the most important part of the past election and we couldn’t support anyone who supported Hillary Clinton by voting for her or by campaigning against Trump. We wanted Trump as our GUY and didn’t give a Flying Fig about any of the Crap that they threw at him. There was only one thing in our minds, WE COULD NEVER, EVER SUPPORT O VOTE FOR THAT LYING CROOK , HILLARY CLINTON. And the fact that you John McCain couldn’t support our Guy Donald Trump, is something that WE WILL REMEMBER!

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    1. John McCain does not exactly qualify as a LIAR, but I see him as a perennial EQUIVOCATOR.

      He's always come across as a bit of MILKSOP –– and worse –– he's always seemed ready, willing and able to compromise with evil.

      I dislike him intensely.

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    2. John McCain was the "media darling" RINO back around the millenium. Once a RINO...

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  19. With Clarity We SpeakNovember 20, 2016 at 11:33 AM

    We dislike Trump immensely. He is the great deceiver as are the pro Trump media outlets. His agenda turns American social progress back decades. He is fostering divisiveness and appointing individuals to key powerful positions in his administration that have records of which no one should be proud of, at the top of the list is Brietbart "News" executive Bannon.

    Make no mistake, Trump will use the right leaning and the alt right to advance an agenda the majority of Americans do not want. However Trump and his media allies have always been about divide and conquer.

    Be ready for the most secretive authoritarian administration in recent USA history. No one should be comfortable with that.

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    1. You've been brainwashed. Please find a good deprogrammer.

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    2. With Clarity We SpeakNovember 20, 2016 at 10:44 PM

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    3. I have no idea what you're trying to say, WCWS. Whines TR? I don't believe Teddy roosevelt was mentioned anywhere in this page.

      Our policy is to remove out-and-out nonsense, illiterate, critic remarks and all manner of insults and vituperation.

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    4. With Clarity We SpeakNovember 21, 2016 at 8:28 AM

      TR... the right. I shan't use acronyms in the future. My error.

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  21. Throw out all of the illegal aliens that voted, in addition to Al Franken's trunk load of phony ballots, and all the dead people in Philly and Baltimore, and you'll find that she lost the popular vote; among legal registered voters.

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    1. That may be true, but how are you going to be able to PROVE it, and how could we possibly separate the real from the false ballots in a case like this?

      As for me, I am virtually POSITIVE that the Left's insistence that asking voters for some form of official ID is inherently "racist," discriminatory and unfair to minorities, –– a virtual return to Jim Crow and the days of Bull Connor, etc. –– is rooted in the Left's desire to take UNFAIR ADVANTAGE of our system in order to achieve PERMANENT INCUMBENCY for themselves.

      If I am wrong, I'd love to see someone come up with a logical explanation of how and why.

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  22. A Progressive HaterNovember 20, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    The idiotic Progressive keeps on saying that Hillary received more votes that Trump did. That is so simple-minded and, that POS is not even looking at the whole picture. She just can't come to terms with herself that her wonderful Crooked Hillary lost, and not only lost, but was slaughtered!
    Most of the time the candidate that receives the most electoral votes, ALSO receives the most popular votes.
    However, this doesn't have to be the case at all, and in fact it's now happened FIVE times where the electoral college winner did NOT receive the most popular votes.

    As we all know the goal is to reach 270 electoral votes. All campaigns map out a strategy that gives them the best chance to reach that goal. The campaigns then concentrate most of their resources on the areas inside the map they've created.
    States where the candidate has a very little chance of winning, will therefore mostly be ignored.
    States where the candidate already is likely to win will simply be shored up, but will see fewer campaign visits, and fewer advertising dollars.
    States that could easily swing either way, will be heavily attacked with a continual blitz of campaign rallies, and non-stop commercials being ran throughout the campaigning days.

    Now If the goal was simply to receive the most overall votes, all campaigns would have MUCH DIFFERENT strategies if the electoral college wasn't involved.
    States and cities that have large populations will be primarily concentrated on. These areas will see the overwhelming majority of a campaigns resources.

    In the end, the final vote count would likely look different under the electoral college system versus a popular vote only system.

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    1. All of that falls under the heading of SPECULATION and CONJECTURE.

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    2. A Proud ProgressiveNovember 23, 2016 at 1:37 PM

      I don't know what that means, please use simple English.

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  23. I believe lies should be stopped, with a stipulation: it must be proven to be a lie, and the source spreading it knows beyond a doubt that it's a lie that it's spreading. If the source did not have any knowledge that it was spreading a lie, there should be some leeway to deal with it.

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