tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post7722921999498433027..comments2023-10-17T08:19:58.196-04:00Comments on FreeThinke: FreeThinkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-82904791384694902332015-02-27T11:00:21.612-05:002015-02-27T11:00:21.612-05:00I don't wish to ride roughshod over anyone, bu...<i>I don't wish to ride roughshod over anyone, but at the same time I do not want anyone to have carte blanche to ride roughshod over me.<br /></i><br />These sentiments are shared by many, truth be known probably most.<br /><br /><i>... is a reflection of and reaction to the arrogance, malice and deep contempt Jews, who are deadly serious about being Jewish, direct toward the Christian-gentile majority in myriad ways. </i><br /><br />This may very well be so FT, however it is at lest moderately apparent non Jewish folks oft times demonstrate similar traits. What will alleviate this? Understanding, empathy, and a <i><b>rational</b></i> tolerance. In different words and to paraphrase; treat others as you wish to be treated.<br /><br /><i>By the way, are you always the same Gandolf?</i><br /><br />Yes. Any comments under this name with the spelling Gandalf or Gandolph are likely impostors.<br /><br /><i>and I'd like to know about the inconsistencies in spelling your distinctive name -- which I assume you got from J.R.R. Tolkien, or am I wrong?</i><br /><br />You'd be correct. I have been a fan of J.R.R Tolkien for many years, having read the Hobbit twice and the Trilogy thrice as well as seeing the movies. Indeed the extended version of the Trilogy graces my DVD library.<br /><br />Of course the "correct" spelling of the Wizards name is Gandalf. Since there can be only one Gandalf the Grey (or Gandalf the White), and as I am not given to conventionality, the unique spelling Gandolf.Gandolfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-67546470147503092222015-02-27T04:12:05.527-05:002015-02-27T04:12:05.527-05:00SilverFiddle said:
" ... it occurs to me th...<b>SilverFiddle said:</b><br /> <br /><i>" ... it occurs to me that smart, pushy people who succeed wherever they go must inevitably piss off whatever community they are embedded in, and when times get hard, they make good scapegoats .... <br /><br />"... I don't make a fetish of the Jewish people or Israel. Are they still God's chose people? The most famous Jew in history formed a new religion. As for Israel, they are the region's only democracy and must be congratulated for their success, but it is a country of socialist atheists with less in common with America than Christians here believe.</i><br /><br />I did not mean to ignore this excellent contribution. It's as fair and balanced assessment of the subject as I've yet seen. You touch on the British being "fed up with them" [the Jews], but I doubt very much if it was because the Brits were having hard times and needed a scapegoat. Britain was still pretty much Cock o' the Walk at that point in history, and her people were proud and content to be who they were.<br /><br />Your analysis probably holds true for GERMANY between the two world wars and might well have been the root cause of the Holocaust, however, because, as we know, the Treaty of Versailles left the Germans in such a deplorable economic condition there was little hope they could ever recover. Yet, Jewish bankers had control of the money, Jews appeared notably prosperous, and held leadership positions in many fields. Apparently, they did not trouble to disguise, or even affect any degree of modesty, about the advantages they had. Hitler, of course, was able to USE that blatant insensitivity in his wrong-headed attempt to restore German Pride.<br /><br />If we look into it honestly, the subject is vast.<br /><br />By the way, I wish you had said that Israel was country with which we have less in common than FUNDAMENTALIST Christians want to believe, because by no means ALL Christians feel that modern day Israel is a sacred fulfillment of biblical prophesy. Your last statement explains why succinctly.<br /><br />Atheism and Socialism -- and NOT Judaism -- are, indeed ,the predominant modes of thought that guided the founding and development of modern day Israel.FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-67747506852565611932015-02-27T03:39:25.451-05:002015-02-27T03:39:25.451-05:00That may be, but much of it, especially in the mod...That may be, but much of it, especially in the modern world, is a <i>reflection</i> of and <i>reaction</i> to the arrogance, malice and deep contempt Jews, who are deadly serious about being Jewish, direct toward the Christian-gentile majority in myriad ways. Please don't imagine, however, that I favor anything so horrible as Holocaust II. I am merely seeking to do everything I can to destroy Political Correctness. I fervently believe in good taste, but at the same time I abhor TABOOS. I also think maintaining "Sacred Cows" of ANY variety is absurd -- especially in a society that at the very least pays public lip service to the concept of egalitarianism.<br /><br /><b>I don't wish to ride roughshod over anyone, but at the same time I do not want anyone to have <i>carte blanche</i> to ride roughshod over <i>me</i></b>.<br /><br />By the way, are you always the same Gandolf? Remarks have been posted here under Gandalf and Gandolph as well as Gandolf. I'm not one to go into paroxysms of indignation when people post under pseudonyms, it's the substance of thought behind the comments that interests me primarily, but I am curious about you, because you've been a steady welcome presence here for quite a few weeks now, and I'd like to know about the inconsistencies in spelling your distinctive name -- which I assume you got from J.R.R. Tolkien, or am I wrong?FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-30235974370344128372015-02-26T23:30:06.753-05:002015-02-26T23:30:06.753-05:00Well there certainly is a lot of malice directed a...Well there certainly is a lot of malice directed at Jewish people. Some perhaps earned a lot perhaps not.<br /><br /> Malice, or the intent to do harm in some form to others can grow like a cancer. It is very dangerous when unleashed widely within a culture or society.<br /><br />Gandolfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-21279482541827095282015-02-26T23:06:11.183-05:002015-02-26T23:06:11.183-05:00Yes it is, thank you, but do you see how it might ...Yes it is, thank you, but do you see how it might relate to this thread?FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-90776526679066362802015-02-26T23:01:19.401-05:002015-02-26T23:01:19.401-05:00Excellent movie. Quite the thought provoking flick...Excellent movie. Quite the thought provoking flick.Gandolfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-66456155696517257512015-02-26T22:19:40.934-05:002015-02-26T22:19:40.934-05:00This may sound irrelevant or "off the wall,&q...This may sound irrelevant or "off the wall," but everyone who has participated in this thread -- and others who may find the subject of interest or concern -- should see Absence of Malice -- a movie from the early '80's with Paul Newman and Sally Field.<br /><br />If you watch it, you should understand right away why I recommend it in conjunction with this particular issue.FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-2489362964949811392015-02-26T22:15:20.061-05:002015-02-26T22:15:20.061-05:00Your beliefs and the TRUTH are wildly at odds and ...Your beliefs and the TRUTH are wildly at odds and aways will be. <br /><br />Enough said. I don't wish to discuss it any further. <br /><br />You will, of course, claim my lack of willingness listen to any more of your arrogant, condescending brand of opinion as a "victory."<br /><br />All you have done, however, is what your side always does, you "win." if that's what you want to call it, through ADAMANCY, OBDURACY and ATTRITION –– nothing more nothing less.<br /><br />In short you've worn me out. Congratulations!FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-79120105879971649962015-02-26T15:32:29.359-05:002015-02-26T15:32:29.359-05:00Which would entail removing the pre-existing entre...Which would entail removing the pre-existing entrenched disadvantages. That far we agree. (A bit more patience and you would have seen that for yourself.)<br />Where we differ is your belief that PC can deliver (and entrench?) advantage to some other set of people. In my opinion you'd need to do something else to grab power, PC is not enough.<br />Maybe we disagree about what PC is. I think it is -- at worst-- a kind of institutionalized politeness. Hardly revolutionary. You see it as a coercive, confining thing. I see it as a liberating one. The petty racism it replaced: THAT was confining. Mentally dismissing every Asian as "a ting-tong from somewhere or other" -- that's a habit that you're freer without.<br />Don't expect to convince you, but vainly hope to relieve you of your misconception that all opponents to your doctrines must be evil or support tyranny. I don't believe I am or do.jeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-79101432827442996062015-02-26T14:51:39.467-05:002015-02-26T14:51:39.467-05:00Since Exodus, Jew has been a Master-Signifier repr...Since Exodus, <a href="http://thersitescorner.blogspot.com/2013/10/travels-with-dante.html" rel="nofollow">Jew</a> has been a Master-Signifier representing the internal "other".... the "hard kernal" that fails to assimilate into the host culture.Stanley Kowalskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15129049636515227902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-50617764569840088152015-02-26T11:45:48.247-05:002015-02-26T11:45:48.247-05:00Even New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, the darling of...Even New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, the darling of Progressives, has gotten in on the mohel action:<br /><br /><a href="http://gothamist.com/2015/02/25/snip_n_suck_circumcision.php#photo-1" rel="nofollow">"Mayor Bill de Blasio is moving to repeal a Bloomberg-era health code requiring mohels to obtain written consent from parents before they perform a controversial circumcision ritual that has given infants herpes.<br /><br />Anonymous city health officials announced the news during a conference call with reporters last night; under the new agreement, mohels suspected of infecting a baby with herpes will be DNA-tested, and if a mohel's herpes virus matches the infant's strain of herpes he will be banned from performing circumcisions for life. The baby will also have herpes for life, and possibly brain damage.<br /><br />Officials believe that since the year 2000 over a dozen infants have been infected with neonatal herpes in NYC from the ritual, known as metzitzah b’peh [MBP], in which the rabbi uses his mouth to suck blood from the boy's freshly snipped foreskin. Two children are believed to have died after contracting herpes from MBP."</a>Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-75203536625919850022015-02-26T11:40:28.509-05:002015-02-26T11:40:28.509-05:00From ABC News: " New York City is investigati...From ABC News: " New York City is investigating the death last September of a baby who contracted herpes after a "ritual circumcision with oral suction," in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish ceremony known in Hebrew as metzitzah b'peh.<br /><br />In a practice that takes place during a ceremony known as the bris, a circumcision practitioner, or mohel, removes the foreskin from the baby's penis, and with his mouth sucks the blood from the incision to cleanse the wound."Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-14795713929467040642015-02-26T11:37:31.456-05:002015-02-26T11:37:31.456-05:00The world media has mostly destroyed the Catholic ...The world media has mostly destroyed the Catholic Church with its allegations of the sexual perversions of the Catholic priests.<br /><br />Yet the ritual of Jewish circumcision raises nary a peep in the world's media even when this obscene cultish ritual results in the Jewish mohel passing on serious infections to the lucky recipient of this practice which resulted from the mohel sucking the penis of the baby to stop the bleeding and "bless" its future in the cult.Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-53907017790986858262015-02-26T11:01:29.557-05:002015-02-26T11:01:29.557-05:00And, now, back to the snow dragon here. ;^)And, now, back to the snow dragon here. ;^)Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-51306570739900667692015-02-26T11:00:32.104-05:002015-02-26T11:00:32.104-05:00FT,
Why have the JEWS -- and according them, ONLY ...FT,<br /><i>Why have the JEWS -- and according them, ONLY the Jews -- been singled out more than ANY OTHER PEOPLE -- for this kind of rough treatment?</i><br /><br /><b>Only</b> the Jews? I'll have to think about that assertion. Other groups have certainly caught hell over the ages.<br /><br />You mentioned: <i>I believe Jesus in every way possible did everything He could to compel the Jews to CEDE their sense of "specialness" -- of being "exceptional" -- and join the ENTIRE Human Race as EQUAL-but-NOT SUPERIOR.</i><br /><br />I agree. Jesus ministered primarily to the Jews, but -- believe me -- the Romans were an arrogant bunch as well.<br /><br />You also mentioned: <i>It is the dogged determination of Jews to regard themselves as SEPARATE and ABOVE the rest of humanity</i>. <br /><br />My response: Other groups have done the same. Tribal (or clannish) thinking, if you will. I've known Gentile Germans who do the same -- as well as other groups, including the Welsh.<br /><br />I still stand by my Number 3 above:<br /><br /><i><b>Could it be that the Lord deliberately chose "a stiff-necked people" to be the ancestors of the Christ? Jesus could not, then, lay claim to royalty. His Kingdom is not of this world, so I would think that he should have descended from those who had an earthly kingdom.</b></i><br /><br />The idea did not originate with me, but rather came from a Bible study in which I participated decades ago. Put bluntly, as one participant in the Bible study did, "If God can love the Jews, He can love anyone!" That was actually uttered. I kid you not! I've always remembered the moment -- right down to the furniture in the basement where the statement came forth.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-83634399436889860682015-02-26T09:07:44.145-05:002015-02-26T09:07:44.145-05:00I see, thank you, Waylon. Never having learned how...I see, thank you, Waylon. Never having learned how to post "live" links, myself, I don't always recognize it when others do.FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-73830199773609056122015-02-26T09:04:04.299-05:002015-02-26T09:04:04.299-05:001. It seems to be human nature to try to find scap...<i>1. It seems to be human nature to try to find scapegoats for one's problems, be those problems self-made or otherwise.</i><br /><br />FT: That's certainly true, AOW. It's a very human trait to be sure, but the question no one ever wants to attempt to answer still hangs heavily in the air:<br /><br /><b>Why have the JEWS -- and according <i>them</i>, ONLY the Jews -- been singled out more than ANY OTHER PEOPLE -- for this kind of rough treatment?</b> It stands to reason that it MUST have SOMETHING to do with the way THEY tend to act.<br /><br /><i>2. People who are not accepted (i.e., well liked) often "dig in" to make themselves even more disliked.</i><br /><br />FT: That is certainly true of The Chosen -- and to a certain extent the Irish -- but of all the immigrant groups who arrived on our shores in the late-nineteenth and early twentieth centuries ALL of which were given -- and <i>GAVE EACH OTHER</i> -- a hard time virtually ALL assimilated and became full-fledged Americans within a generation or two. But the JEWS have chosen very deliberately, I think, to remain SINGULAR -- APART -- IN-but-never-OF the mainstream. No other group has ever operated QUITE this way before -- until recently with the enormous, deliberately planned and engineered, influx of non-whites, and of course the recent, frankly-terrifying COLONIZATION of MUSLIMS who have planted themselves -- or have BEEN PLANTED -- in our midst and have NO INTENTION WHATSOEVER of ASSIMILATING, but instead lurk waiting for their numbers to grow sufficiently so they can TAKE OVER and tyrannize US with their damnable SHARIA LAW. <br /><br />Now WHO do you suppose is largely responsible for initiating and promoting the diabolical congressional scheme to destroy our White Christian Majority, and transform the USA into a Non-White, Pagan nation none of our grandparents could possibly recognize? Who was it who PUSHED Ted Kennedy into implementing this foul agenda?<br /><br /><i>3. Could it be that the Lord deliberately chose "a stiff-necked people" to be the ancestors of the Christ? Jesus could not, then, lay claim to royalty. His Kingdom is not of this world, so I would think that he should have descended from those who had an earthly kingdom.</i><br /><br />FT: That seems a bit of a rationalization to me, AOW. Our creed doesn't say Jesus Christ was made a JEW; it says <i>"and [HE] was made MAN."</i> We like to refer to Him as "King of Kings and Lord of Lords" NOT as King of the Jews, and Suzerain over the Seven Tribes of Israel.<br /><br /><b>If anything, I believe Jesus in every way possible did everything He could to compel the Jews to CEDE their sense of "specialness" -- of being "exceptional" -- and join the ENTIRE Human Race as EQUAL-but-NOT SUPERIOR.</b><br /><br />The Jewish Rejection of the THEIR Messiah and OUR Lord and Savior MUST be the reason their entire existence has been beset by woe ever since. No one could deliberately set himself against GOD and expect to win anything but trouble, heartache, misery, grief and perpetual dissatisfaction with life.<br /><br />It is the dogged determination of Jews to regard themselves as SEPARATE and ABOVE the rest of humanity that is the source of the eternal DISSONANCE they generate wherever they go.<br /><br />Put simplistically they have a manifest SUPERIORITY COMPLEX. Is it any wonder they attract so much unfavorable attention, DESPITE their many admittedly brilliant, life-enhancing accomplishments?FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-28461650167908381362015-02-26T08:22:16.335-05:002015-02-26T08:22:16.335-05:00Religion, regardless of origins, seems to have two...Religion, regardless of origins, seems to have two things in common; supertition and mysticism. Further, all religions at some point appear to become more about dominion over their flock and increaing the religions influence than truth.<br /><br />Spirituality on the other hand is about finding truth through meditation, reflection, and acceptance that things are not always ss they seem. Spirituality is individual used whereas religion is collective.<br /><br />God, if there indeed is one, it seems to me simply wants people to become better people through honest introspection and greater acceptance and understanding of our difference rather than less.Gandolfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-90511783043104277682015-02-26T08:05:21.747-05:002015-02-26T08:05:21.747-05:00Sorry, I meant to type What DOES your research ind...Sorry, I meant to type <i>What DOES your research indicate about the founding of the virulent, malignant force called <b>ISLAM</b>?</i> <br /><br />My typing skills -- never very good -- have deteriorated badly in the past few months thanks to increasing stiffness in my poor old right hand. <br /><br />How these things get started is always of great interest to me, but even more important, I think, is WHY and HOW do they CAtCH ON?<br /><br />From my experience observing the world from my peculiar perch I can only return again and again to Oscar Wilde who said, <i>"Whatever is popular is wrong."</i><br />FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-52000316680625375402015-02-26T08:04:43.084-05:002015-02-26T08:04:43.084-05:00FT, if you click on the links above it takes you t...FT, if you click on the links above it takes you to the complete article discussing the relevant topic.Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-43848177435655240652015-02-26T07:56:50.521-05:002015-02-26T07:56:50.521-05:00WAYLON, It would be most helpful in our pursuit of...WAYLON, It would be most helpful in our pursuit of the Truth, if you would give us the source of these assertions?FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-940199781994935322015-02-26T07:55:11.830-05:002015-02-26T07:55:11.830-05:00FT,
CHOSE the Jews to be the SOLE POSSESSORS of th...FT,<br /><i>CHOSE the Jews to be the SOLE POSSESSORS of the Truth</i><br /><br />No human being or group of human beings can possess the Truth. Also, consider <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahab" rel="nofollow">Rahab</a>:<br /><br /><i>she is reckoned among the ancestors of Jesus,[2] and is lauded as an example of living by faith </i><br /><br /><i>The God of the Old Testament -- especially of the Pentateuch -- is frankly a monstrous figure...</i><br /><br />Not necessarily. What monstrous things were the Canaanites doing? And the time itself back then was barbarous -- perhaps beyond our modern imaginations. Only the strong survived in that ancient time. By the time that Jesus walked this earth, the <i>pax Romana</i> had changed things significantly.<br /><br />-------------------<br /><br />And, now, back to digging out here in the D.C. area. More snow has fallen -- and continues to fall.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-35867947410523611502015-02-26T07:53:26.857-05:002015-02-26T07:53:26.857-05:00Do you disagree that PC tends to remove entrenched...<i>Do you disagree that PC tends to remove entrenched disadvantages?</i><br /><br /><b>YES!</b> <br /><br />I would agree only that PC has sought from its inception -- and is well in its way to establishing -- a NEW and DIFFERENT set of "ENTRENCHED (DIS)ADVANTAGES" designed to gain TOTALITARIAN POWER and CONTROL for the cruelest and most abusive set of "MASTERS" the world has yet seen.<br /><br />Without stooping to calling you names, Jez, I can see -- very clearly -- that in Orwellian terms you are very much an advocate -- and may possibly <i>be ONE of</i> -- the PIGS who WALKED UPRIGHT.<br /><br /><b>What has ANY "Revolution" EVER accomplished but the Replacement of One Form of Despotism with Another -- usually far less agreeable and even more crushing?</b><br /><br />The SOLE exception that I know of, has been the AMERICAN Revolution of 1776, and frankly I'm not really certain that even THAT was worth what it cost -- especially in light of the TRAIN WRECK, the insidious specious logic of the Hegelian-Marxian-Fabian-Commumist-Socialist-Progressive-Liberal-Statist-Dictocratic movement(s) -- the TOXIC HASH -- they have made of the our Founders elegant, brilliant, profoundly humanistic Vision.FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-35622379943186946052015-02-26T07:32:18.352-05:002015-02-26T07:32:18.352-05:00Of COURSE, Waylon. Exposing and discussing the app...Of COURSE, Waylon. Exposing and discussing the apparently self-evident nature of your accusations is the reason I created this post. FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-44972895833728366732015-02-26T07:28:15.444-05:002015-02-26T07:28:15.444-05:00A Christians we are SUPPOSED to believe that the O...A Christians we are SUPPOSED to believe that the One True God, Jehovah, revealed Himself, explicitly and specifically to the Jews and therefore CHOSE the Jews to be the SOLE POSSESSORS of the Truth.<br /><br />I consider myself a Christian, but frankly believe that notion to have been an absurd, self-serving MYTH conjured up by the leaders of a primitive, nomadic, generally stubborn, fractious people to boost their morale and generate a greater spirit of cohesion among their numbers. Even more important than that the purpose of creating and developing this myth was to instill FEAR of PUNISHMENT and RETRIBUTION into their hearts in order to achieve POWER and CONTROL -- i.e. <i>DOMINION</i> -- over them -- the ancient Israelite tribes.<br /><br />The God of the Old Testament -- especially of the <i>Pentateuch</i> -- is frankly a monstrous figure -- vain, selfish, arrogant, cruel, much given to harsh judgments and meting out even harsher penalties for an ever-proliferating list of "infractions," most of which have appeared increasingly stupid, spiteful, irrational and abysmally <i>petty</i> to thinking people as Civilization advanced.<br /><br />Jesus came to SAVE not only HIS people -- the Jews -- but ALL people from the hideous superstitions that bound the ancient world and sanctioned Human Sacrifice, Wholesale Slaughter, Genocide, Rape, Torture, Murder and out-and-out THEFT of Other People's Lands and Property.<br /><br />What could possibly be more hideous? What could be more desperately in need of Reform and Renunciation and Abolition of all of THAT?FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.com