tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post516022511070606062..comments2023-10-17T08:19:58.196-04:00Comments on FreeThinke: FreeThinkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-17666798908618611462014-11-13T06:28:23.705-05:002014-11-13T06:28:23.705-05:00I meant Nicholas of course (I have a terrible memo...I meant Nicholas of course (I have a terrible memory for names, sorry).<br /><br />I fear you miss the point of history if you think it is merely a dry recitation of factual events. As soon as you want to judge a historical figure's motives or evaluate their actions, (eg. such-and-such was "overkill"), you are forced simulate his state of knowledge and his expectations as they were during the period in question. Morality is impossible if you cannot imagine the effect your actions might have; and so it is that your history will be immoral if you cannot imagine about the past.<br /><br />Who knew what Stalin would go on to do from the vantage point of 1917? No-one! So his later reign had nothing to do with what motivated the revolution. Get it?jeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-80250306287066330312014-11-12T17:36:28.027-05:002014-11-12T17:36:28.027-05:00You'll have to enlighten me about Czar Wilhelm...You'll have to enlighten me about Czar Wilhelm. Not familiar with him.<br /><br />Don't think this conversation is going anywhere anyway.<br /><br />Save the bandwidth for something more enlightening not a make believe situation like you are trying to create.Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-75851369781559919742014-11-12T09:32:32.176-05:002014-11-12T09:32:32.176-05:00I certainly can arrive at an answer for myself, bu...I certainly can arrive at an answer for myself, but I am here trying to extract your opinion. I already know that you think Stalin was worse than the Czar. I agree, but please I would like to examine 1917 without Stalin -- nobody in 1917 could have predicted, still less engineered, Stalin's reign, so our hindsight in this regard does not help us untangle their motives. You say 1917 was overkill, that sounds like you have in mind what should have happened instead. What is the proper response to a Czar like Wilhelm?<br /><br />Let's try to get some perspective. Would you agree that the pogroms were atrocities on a similar scale to, say, 9/11?jeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-45586558151534056702014-11-12T08:24:58.654-05:002014-11-12T08:24:58.654-05:00One would first need to understand the context of ...One would first need to understand the context of the period say from 1870 to 1905. Were there any political assassinations? Were the Czars themselves targeted and murdered? I think there were and some were killed . Were the pogroms a response to political agitation or were the Czars just plain anti-Semites driven strictly by a hatred of Jews? <br /><br />Depending on whose version of the story you accept as being the most truthful you might find your answer yourself.<br /><br />If the Czar Nicholas himself might suddenly reappear today, in light of the fate bestowed upon him and his family in 1917, you might ask him if he would have done things differently, such as instead of exiling Trotsky and Lenin, maybe done to them and their families what was done to the Czar, would have resulted in an entirely different course of history for the 20th Century.<br /><br />Lastly, since you seem to be stuck on proportionate "push back" maybe you can put a number on the number of Jews that were killed in the pogroms. One thousand, ten thousand, one hundred thousand? Definitely not the 20 million that died in Russia at the hands of the communists. And most of the 20 million would be considered to be "the goyim" by the self styled chosen people.Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-78866645228776218692014-11-11T18:08:40.955-05:002014-11-11T18:08:40.955-05:00Waylon: I'm asking you what you consider a pro...Waylon: I'm asking you what you consider a proportionate push-back against the Czar would have been. Establishing a communist state was overkill, but what would have been justified?jeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-17727365577020433302014-11-11T17:53:44.694-05:002014-11-11T17:53:44.694-05:00It's hardly worth the time to discuss the char...It's hardly worth the time to discuss the character of the committed ideological progressive-socialist-communist mentalities. We've seen too much direct proof of their complete over-the-wall and in-your-face hatred often hidden behind the pretense of seeking an answer to some idiotic question that any second-grade kid would understand, even without asking.<br /><br />But since Churchill is the main topic of this thread I'll use another quotation from the linked article above that summarizes these "creatures" succinctly and honestly:<br /><br />..." this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-22187637568143870672014-11-11T17:19:45.573-05:002014-11-11T17:19:45.573-05:00Good show, Waylon. Thank you. Most will not discus...Good show, Waylon. Thank you. Most will not discuss -- nor even admit the existence of -- these unpleasant, "inconvenient truths."<br /><br />Why do you think our most effective anti-Communists -- particularly J. Edgar Hoover. Joe McCarthy and Richard M. Nixon -- have been pilloried, defamed, vilified and successfully kicked to the curb, then<i>stomped</i> by the enemedia?<br /><br />BECAUSE to be anti-Communist at the time was to be a <i>de facto</i> anti-Semite? SURPRISE! -- NOT!<br /><br />Were it not for the relentless crafty and insidious machinations of unbelievably tough-minded, diabolically clever Jewish intellectuals, all that we think of as "LEFTIST" today would very likely never have come to plague us to the ruinous extent it has. <br /><br />The very existence of creatures such as Jez and Ducky and millions of others like them, who prefer to give the Devil HIS due while they despise and reject their rightful heritage and do everything possible to bring about their own downfall in service to a spectacularly evil ideology provides clear proof of the efficacy of leftist sophistry and guile.<br /><br />Then the Truth is too ugly or too painful to acknowledge, by ll means do your best to represent it as a LIE.<br /><br />The oldest trick in the book.FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-21797002964226691232014-11-11T15:50:07.758-05:002014-11-11T15:50:07.758-05:00How could you possibly look only at the "over...How could you possibly look only at the "overthrow of the Czar" in the larger context of what evidently followed? We have a historical perspective of almost 100 years and it only makes sense to consider the complete picture as we understand it to be.<br /><br />Those that overthrew the Czar, specifically Lenin and Trotsky absolutely knew what they had in mind for the Czar and the country from the start, IMO.Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-82630309519640010042014-11-11T15:26:33.354-05:002014-11-11T15:26:33.354-05:00You misunderstand the question. What I mean is, wa...You misunderstand the question. What I mean is, was overthrowing the Czar an over-reaction? Leaving aside the specifics of the Bolshevism which replaced it, could the overthrow be justified by the Czar's pogroms and his other excesses?jeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-76303659112322953052014-11-11T13:10:40.153-05:002014-11-11T13:10:40.153-05:00I wonder why the Wall Street Journal in such an in...I wonder why the Wall Street Journal in such an in depth look at Churchill would have overlooked his article from February 8,1920 in the Illustrated Sunday Herald <a href="http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ish.htm" rel="nofollow"> "Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People"</a>?Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-31463018481047188932014-11-11T12:51:50.945-05:002014-11-11T12:51:50.945-05:00Jez, you call the communist revolution in 1917 in ...Jez, you call the communist revolution in 1917 in Russia REFORM? I'd be more inclined to call it enslavement of a people and a country and a people to the tyrannical whims of an elite group of masters imposing their diabolical ways on a subdued population.<br /><br />All that came after was REFORM?<br /><br />First of all, that so-called revolution was one that had plenty of outside help to bring it about. Lenin had been exiled. Trotsky was living as a journalist and union organizer on the lower East Side of Manhattan. Neither one of those individuals instrumental in imposing communism on Russia would have made it back onto the scene without outside assistance to bring them back to Russia. <br /><br />And REFORM brought about the extermination of upwards of 20 million Russians (according to the Black Book of Communism) and add to that the Holodomor which was the deliberate extermination of upwards of 10 to 12 million in the Ukraine ... and they were only getting started.<br /><br />Seems those numbers might make the Holocaust miniscule in comparison — so much chopped liver, so to speak.Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-58593186807727520122014-11-11T09:33:44.068-05:002014-11-11T09:33:44.068-05:00Do you think the Jews (along with all the other re...Do you think the Jews (along with all the other rebels) could have achieved reform without overthrowing the Czar? Or did the overkill happen later?jeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-86444477621502922132014-11-11T08:59:54.703-05:002014-11-11T08:59:54.703-05:00Yes, jez, I'm surprised. And I do know about t...Yes, jez, I'm surprised. And I do know about the pogroms. A little much in the way of overkill on the part of Jewish-Communist cabal, no?Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-71823391905519943652014-11-11T08:37:49.747-05:002014-11-11T08:37:49.747-05:00Waylon, why are you surprised by anti-Tsarist sent...Waylon, why are you surprised by anti-Tsarist sentiment among many Jews in early 20th century Russia? You know about the pogroms, right?jeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-53123250691269827192014-11-11T07:36:00.162-05:002014-11-11T07:36:00.162-05:00Sounds like Ducky and his sock puppet don't li...Sounds like Ducky and his sock puppet don't like associating Jews with the communist plague that was introduced into Russia in 1917, Churchill eloquently did with the quotation I cited.<br /><br />Ducky sometimes you just have to suck it up and face reality.Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-90038108002950204322014-11-11T06:05:33.475-05:002014-11-11T06:05:33.475-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Myth Busternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-3805399597528268402014-11-11T01:13:53.714-05:002014-11-11T01:13:53.714-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-76880348490830607672014-11-10T22:40:05.069-05:002014-11-10T22:40:05.069-05:00Churchill has some interesting insights into the J...Churchill has some interesting insights into the Jewish influence on recent history. He sees the influence of Jewish financial interests such as central banking and global financial control—of which he approves, and international Jewish influence such as Zionism and Communism, of which he disapproves.<br /><br />"Some people like Jews and some do not; but no thoughtful man can doubt the fact that they are beyond all question the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.<br /><br />And it may well be that this same astounding race may at the present time be in the actual process of producing another system of morals and philosophy, as malevolent as Christianity was benevolent, which, if not arrested would shatter irretrievably all that Christianity has rendered possible. It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical. "<br /><br />...<br /><br /> "International Jews<br />In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.<br /> <br />Terrorist Jews<br />There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.<br /><br />The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing."Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-78915457131477185752014-11-10T21:45:10.524-05:002014-11-10T21:45:10.524-05:00FT, I'll see your "Liz" and up the a...FT, I'll see your "Liz" and up the ante by calling the whole lot of British Royalty "Royal A$$holes". There are plenty of examples that show too much inbreeding does result in mental deficiency. Including the hubby of "Liz", Prince Phillip,wishing to be reincarnated as a deadly virus so that he can contribute better to reducing the population of the planet.<br /><br />Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-50075591946048618402014-11-10T21:37:46.943-05:002014-11-10T21:37:46.943-05:00DOW close @ 17,613 74 today.
Woo Hop...! Good tim...DOW close @ 17,613 74 today.<br /><br />Woo Hop...! Good times a rolling.Thurston Howellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-23479976948641678502014-11-10T18:09:29.924-05:002014-11-10T18:09:29.924-05:00RN, of course.RN, of course.Thersiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751286903359745316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-38647257681303900592014-11-10T17:16:34.130-05:002014-11-10T17:16:34.130-05:00Inquiring minds what to know.Inquiring minds what to know.Who The Fuck Is Nursery Poo-Poonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-66851133559364237582014-11-10T16:42:30.727-05:002014-11-10T16:42:30.727-05:00And, Nursey Poo-Poo, as I've said elsewhere, y...And, Nursey Poo-Poo, as I've said elsewhere, your FOUL ODOR precedes you by a mile. No pseudonym could possibly disguise your moronic, aggressively rude, obnoxious, malodorous presence, so please quit trying to sneak in under the radar screen. <br /><br />It DELIGHTS me to OBLITERATE you ever time you rear your fat, bald, ugly head.FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-71690190252971070232014-11-10T16:37:12.289-05:002014-11-10T16:37:12.289-05:00Sorry, Dave, but the topic was WINSTON CHURCHILL n...Sorry, Dave, but the topic was WINSTON CHURCHILL not you -- or me -- or the blogosphere.<br /><br />I shouldn't have to say it, but there are worse ways of being obnoxious, intrusive, offensive and of befouling the atmosphere than using four-letter words, BOILERPLATE, and clichéd anti-This, anti-That rhetoric.<br /><br />It isn't that I want an Echo Chamber or an Amen Chorus, but I am far beyond the point where I will tolerate personal criticisms, however politely phrased -- studied insolence -- persistent hectoring and badgering -- smarmy hypocritical questions that don't require an answer -- quasi-benign statements betraying thinly-veiled contempt, <i>et al.</i><br /><br />The humorless legalistic thinking, turgid literalism and unlimited captiousness espoused and employed primarily by leftists constitutes -- in the immortal words of Max Ehrmann -- "VEXATIONS to the SPIRIT." <br /><br />He wisely advised us to avoid all that, and so I shall.FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-145653764764266444.post-83350508551582234822014-11-10T15:40:29.002-05:002014-11-10T15:40:29.002-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.com